Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[cocksie]

Just to throw a potential spanner in the Alice hall/fisher works:

Name:   Alice Fisher
Date of Registration:   Jul-Aug-Sep 1897
Registration District:   Basford
Inferred County:   Nottinghamshire
Volume:   7b
Page:   276

Is this a possibility if Mr Hall had left the scenario?

Cocksie

Edit to add
Probably complete red herring - just checked through the dates, age 13 in 1911 and 2 in 1901 so birth around 1898/1899.  So this one is born too early.

[heywood]

Hi Cocksie,

I think that was why that Alice Fisher was discounted - it is all a bit difficult with the names and places of birth, isn't it

It's a pity that no workhouse records have shown up.

[cocksie]

In 1901 census Alice is listed as a Fisher born Nottingham, Nottinghamshire - just did a quick check.
In 1911 she is Fisher born Basford, Nottinghamshire.

Cocksie

Adding
The Alice Hall birth everyone is looking at is in March qtr 1899
So, looking at the time line

Nov 1897 mr hall is witnessed being cruel to Mary Ann - hence the court case. No mother around, in fact, if the newspaper reports are remotely correct Harriet Hall (nee Fisher) and James Hall parted ways at the fair.  James hooked up with a Florence Lea about this time

Dec 1897 Harriet Hall is back in Loughborough looking for her husband (and potentially her daughter)

Jan 1898 - the court case.

Mar qtr 1899 an Alice Hall has birth registered.

This would imply (unless my maths and knowledge of biology is incorrect, and given info posted by galium) that:
1. Either Harriet and James hooked up again post court case
OR
2. Alice is not the child of James, albeit Harriet is still using her married surname at this time

Harriet and child(ren) are known as Fisher in 1901 and 1911.

Potentially mr hall is the father of none of the three children. And no father may be listed on any of the birth registrations.

Are my wandering thoughts on target or not?
Cocksie

[cocksie]

Hi Cocksie,

I think that was why that Alice Fisher was discounted - it is all a bit difficult with the names and places of birth, isn't it

It's a pity that no workhouse records have shown up.

Evening Heywood
Somewhere in these 2 or 3 threads of copious postings I recall Carole had requested info for an incorrect narrow timeframe at Basford.  She was going to ask again with corrected possible dates .... But for the life of me I cannot find these postings nor find the outcome ....

I tried looking online for vaccination records which exist but it seems they are not online.  We almost need a generous person to physically go into the archive/records office and turn the pages looking - for vaccination records and workhouse records.  Plus a visual of the baptism register would be good as well.

Grrrr stuck about as far away as one can get in melbourne Australia!

Cocksie

[iluleah]

In 1901 census Alice is listed as a Fisher born Nottingham, Nottinghamshire - just did a quick check.
In 1911 she is Fisher born Basford, Nottinghamshire.

Basford is a suburb in northern Nottingham. Basford parish was absorbed into Nottingham in 1877
 

Adding
The Alice Hall birth everyone is looking at is in March qtr 1899
So, looking at the time line

Nov 1897 mr hall is witnessed being cruel to Mary Ann - hence the court case. No mother around, in fact, if the newspaper reports are remotely correct Harriet Hall (nee Fisher) and James Hall parted ways at the fair.  James hooked up with a Florence Lea about this time

Dec 1897 Harriet Hall is back in Loughborough looking for her husband (and potentially her daughter)

Carole
Not sure if you know ( I am guessing you do, but just in case as it gives you some background) but the 'fair' will be the Nottingham Goose fair http://www.nottinghamgoosefair.co.uk/   and http://www.nfa.dept.shef.ac.uk/history/charter/goose.html or one of the many that are held just prior/post to the Goose fair, 'fairground families' from all over the country gather and there are street fairs in lots of places as they wait for the Goose Fair ( it is always just after my birthday so around 1st/2nd week Oct ), about 3rd week the Ilkeston Charter Fair is run as the fair ground people go off it different directions  http://www.nfa.dept.shef.ac.uk/history/charter/ilkeston.html  and http://www.nfa.dept.shef.ac.uk/history/galleries/gall02.html  and by 2nd/3rd week in November it is in Loughborough http://www.inloughborough.com/news/000293/Loughborough%20Fair


So the story leads me to think he 'followed the fair' maybe even worked on the fair, was possibly from one of the fair ground families

[snowyw]

According to this http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOTTSGEN/2008-05/1210302509
there was an Alice Hall born in the workhouse.
No John Hall/Fisher though.

[CarolRR]

Thanks for the information.  I'm beginning to think that it might be best to reach out to living descendants for answers.
When I attempted to get Workhouse Records, I was told that there was no record of any of these people being in the Workhouses.  Perhaps I should try again and this time, forward a copy of the Birth Certificate ...

[susan hemmings]

Cocksie,

Not sure if the postings you refer to were around the time Carol sent to the workhouse and received an email back. Then asked again and got another unhelpful  emailed reply.  From memory that was just over two thirds of the way through the first thread. I think.

Carol, I really feel for you right now.

Susan

Edited in shame:   I cannot find it either.  I am now word blind.

[heywood]

According to this http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOTTSGEN/2008-05/1210302509
there was an Alice Hall born in the workhouse.
No John Hall/Fisher though.

Do those records go to 1905 though?