Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[snowyw]

If she was not married, Mary Ann could not be Hall, even if he was the father.

I have checked family search to see if they hold the baptism records for Basford, but they have none for Nottinghamshire! 
Seems the only way to get that information is the Notts archive.  They have records for the workhouse too.  I know a plea has gone out for anyone going there - I hope someone will come forward. 

[CarolRR]

snowyw, my notes indicate that baptism took place on Jan. 29, 1896 in Ilkeston, Derbyshire. 

[snowyw]

Ah!  If I had checked back, I would have seen that!
Maybe someone in  Derbyshire can check it out.
OR
If she was baptised Church of England, the records are held by the mormons.

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/560695

There are other church records too.
If you have a Mormon family history centre close by, anyone can visit and they will get the church records for you to browse.  I have used my local centre on many occasions and the people there are very helpful.  It costs  very small amount for them to get the film and they keep it for several weeks so you can check it over a period of time.

https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator

[Deirdre784]

Unfortunately, FamilySearch only gives the info Carole already knows. 29 Jan 1896, Mary Ann and Harriet, Ilkeston. 

[ballydw]

KarenM, I'm quite convinced that we have the right person with this certificate.  Thinking about Harriett, perhaps she didn't know who the father was - part of me is hoping that James Hall is not the father.  She did name one of the three children 'Hall" so maybe there is a message here ...  or perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part ...

Hasta, I'm not disappointed - I'm sure it's the correct certificate - I'm disappointed that there isn't more information provided.  I am really happy to have my grandmother's correct birthday.  I also happened to be born on the 5th (but not October).
If some kind soul can access the information for baptism, (my records show Jan. 29, 1896, Ilkeston) as well as Alice Hall (b. 1899, Basford) and John Fisher's (b. 1905, Basford) information, I will place another order at GRO.
Thanks!

Hi Carol following your story with great interest. Just querying Alice, in 1901 census was she recorded as Alice Fisher - I could be wrong maybe you could verify Fisher or Hall for Alice.
Regards

[CarolRR]

Ballydw, thank you for your interest and your help.  I went back into my notes and found that someone had provided me with: "Alice Hall, Mar 1899, Basford, 7b 220";  "John Fisher, Mar 1906, Basford 7b 236" and John Fisher, Dec 1905, N'ham 7b 410". 
I am wondering if I should order all 3 ... 
I will also send the information taken from today's certificate (Mary Ann's birth cert) to my 'cousin' at the Ilkeston Historical Society, and see what he has to say ...

[iluleah]

Hi Carol

Disappointing although I think it is what you expected, ie no name
This may help give you some information about the parish
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Derbyshire/parishes/IlkestonParish.htm

From 1874
The Births and Deaths Registration Act of 1874 (Act of 37 & 38 Victoria, Chapter 88) made registration compulsory. The onus for registration of a birth was passed to the parents, or the occupier of the house where a birth took place. The birth had to be registered within 42 days or a £2.00 fine was imposed. It still remained a common belief that baptism registered the birth, also if the parents ran out of time they would either lie about the date of birth or simply not register and hope not to get caught.

So  neither 'parent' have to be present at that time in history for their  names to go on the certificate

[heywood]

Ballydw, thank you for your interest and your help.  I went back into my notes and found that someone had provided me with: "Alice Hall, Mar 1899, Basford, 7b 220";  "John Fisher, Mar 1906, Basford 7b 236" and John Fisher, Dec 1905, N'ham 7b 410". 
I am wondering if I should order all 3 ... 
I will also send the information taken from today's certificate (Mary Ann's birth cert) to my 'cousin' at the Ilkeston Historical Society, and see what he has to say ...

I gave the info re these births as possibilities- no likely Alice Fisher. You can ask for the certificates if the mother is Harriet. If not, you don't get charged the full fee. That used to be the case anyway.

[Galium]

She did name one of the three children 'Hall"

If Alice Hall whose birth was registered March Q 1899 is the daughter of Harriet Hall née Fisher, then  James Hall's name is on the certificate, as it has to be if Harriet is married to him. It isn't a question of Harriet giving her the surname Hall. 

There is no space for the child's surname on an E & W birth certificate (before 1969).  This means that on the GRO birth index, the child's surname  shown is that of the parents. So it will be either:

a) The surname of both the parents if they are married
or
b) The surname of the mother if she is not married
or
c) The index will show two entries, one for each surname if the parents are not married, and the father's name is on the certificate.

(If c) had been the case with Mary Ann's birth certificate, there would have been two entries for her on the GRO index with the same reference, once as Mary Ann Fisher and once as Mary Ann [father's surname] )