Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[CarolRR]

Rootschatters!  Received 1 of 3 - Certified copy of an entry of Death. 
1919 Death in Nottingham South East
No. 245, Seventh March 1919, Maternity Hospital, Queen's Walk, n.D.(?)
Harriett Fisher
Female
45 years
of 6 Wellington Square, Ronald Street, Nottingham, Wife of Walter Fisher, Printer (journeyman)
Puerpural (?) sepsis and acute bronchitis
Annie Wilson, Daughter, present at the death, 33 Besington (?) Street, Nottingham

So Rootschatters, what do you think?  I suspect this is a different Harriet.

[heywood]

Hi Carol,

That's a disappoinment! I would agree that is a different person. Let's hope there is better news in the others.

Heywood

[janan]

Rootschatters!  Received 1 of 3 - Certified copy of an entry of Death. 
1919 Death in Nottingham South East
No. 245, Seventh March 1919, Maternity Hospital, Queen's Walk, n.D.(?)
Harriett Fisher
Female
45 years
of 6 Wellington Square, Ronald Street, Nottingham, Wife of Walter Fisher, Printer (journeyman)
Puerpural (?) sepsis and acute bronchitis
Annie Wilson, Daughter, present at the death, 33 Besington (?) Street, Nottingham

So Rootschatters, what do you think?  I suspect this is a different Harriet.

Does look like a different person - that's a shame Hope the other certificates prove more helpful

Jan

[susan hemmings]

Aw Carol,

Fingers crossed for today. 

Susan

[CarolRR]

Another day ...  another certificate ...  why can't this be easy ...    ok, here goes ...
Certified Copy of an Entry of Birth
1895 Birth in the sub-district of Basford, in the Co. Bor. of N'ham and Co. of N'ham
No. 497
Fifth October 1895, Basford Workhouse, Nottingham (Exmunicipal)
Mary Ann
Girl
FATHER - BLANK!!!!
Harriett Fisher, Domestic Servant of Ilkeston
Occupation of Father  - BLANK!!
Informant:  W. Turnbull, Master, Union Workhouse, Basford.
Registered:  Thirtieth October 1895



I wonder if Harriett was a 'domestic servant' to a family of "Potter's" ...

Now what do we do??  The missing certificate is that of the marriage of Harriett Fisher and James Hall.

[snowyw]

Hi Carol
I've been following your threads with interest.  This sort of certificate is so frustrating!!
I believe that the father of an illegitimate child could only be named as long as he was present at the registration.  Someone will put me right if I am wrong.
I wonder whether Mary Ann was baptised....if she was, the father may be named on the baptism entry, especially if she was baptised after Harriet and James married.  Just a thought.

[KarenM]

In a way it's kindof good, at least you know it could potentially be the correct certificate, and not a waste of money 

I believe snowyw is correct in that the father must be present.

Karen

[hasta]

Hi Carol.
I stayed up well past my bedtime one night the other week reading your amazing search for your grandmother. I don't know why you are disappointed !! That cert is a perfect match to the 'scenario' that everyone (take a bow) has constructed. Mary Anne had to be illegitimate in order for Harriet to be able to marry James Hall a few months later, also 'domestic servant' fits well with the description of 'charwoman' in 1911. If she had have been married at the time she would be entitled to name her husband as father, whether he was or not (unless he made his displeasure known to the priest  as my own gg grandfather did on the birth of his wife's 4th child !) . As a single woman, the man had to acknowledge the child for his name to be recorded. I agree, getting the baptism information would be good - informants names may help even if the father is still not named. If I were you I would also be tempted to get the birth certs of the Alice and John, children of Harriet in the Workhouse in 1911 and see if you can build up a better picture of her through them, perhaps pin her down to to a location or address outside of the workhouse.
Have now joined the club waiting for your postman's next visit !

[CarolRR]

KarenM, I'm quite convinced that we have the right person with this certificate.  Thinking about Harriett, perhaps she didn't know who the father was - part of me is hoping that James Hall is not the father.  She did name one of the three children 'Hall" so maybe there is a message here ...  or perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part ...

Hasta, I'm not disappointed - I'm sure it's the correct certificate - I'm disappointed that there isn't more information provided.  I am really happy to have my grandmother's correct birthday.  I also happened to be born on the 5th (but not October).
If some kind soul can access the information for baptism, (my records show Jan. 29, 1896, Ilkeston) as well as Alice Hall (b. 1899, Basford) and John Fisher's (b. 1905, Basford) information, I will place another order at GRO.
Thanks!