Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[california dreamin]

Hi Cocksie

That really is an inspired suggestion

Here is the URL for Leceistershire Archives: http://tinyurl.com/lfq6wp3

Definitely worth looking for those. 

[california dreamin]

These records look interesting too!

Vagrancy:

http://tinyurl.com/kdg7uzo

[Ruskie]

Cocksie,

The newspaper articles make very interesting reading. There are obviously a few bad eggs named James Hall in the area. As the James Hall in this case was 'tramping' I do wonder if any of these are him. But still very worthwhile having as some of them may fit in with 'our'  James Hall. There is the possibility that he may have had an alias at some stage.

Your suggestion about trying to find the vaccination records for Mary Ann Fisher is an excellent idea.

So it would be ideal to have a volunteer or two 'on the ground' so to speak, who is willing to do a bit of detective work for prison records and, depending on whether or not the Nottingham Archives gets back to Carol, maybe chasing up Workhouse records too. (I suppose Nottingham Archives are understaffed and overworked like most Archives.  )

It is up to Carol's of course, but as it is fact that James Hall was the man who abused Mary Ann, maybe prison records will give additional details.  Perhaps these could be searched while waiting for the certificates? I'm sure if Carol were to put the call out, there would be someone more than happy to help.

Just an idea. 

PS, Some excellent links California dreamin.  They look promising. As James was tramping, it is worth doing checks in both counties - Derbyshire too? I can't remember which were mentioned in the last thread

[california dreamin]

Hi Ruskie

I must have lost the plot  I have been thinking Leicestershire and not Notts !  Apply all my suggestions to Nottingham too Carol 

[MonicaL]

In my search for info surrounding the Basford Workhouse I came across an old thread with a list of births from the Workhouse, the time period is march 8th 1878 to sept 9th 1903. There is a Mary Ann Fisher listed. There are however, 7 births of Mary Ann Fisher recorded in the time frame on FreeBMD.

Hi Stainy

Just adding the link to the births at Basford Workhouse that you mentioned in case it does turn out that Harriet gave birth to Mary Ann at the Workhouse:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOTTSGEN/2008-05/1210224407

Monica

Added: See there is also an Alice Hall http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NOTTSGEN/2008-05/1210302509. Again a possibility? All guesses for now though as we don't know the dates these births occured...but just more potential corroboration at this stage to what has been discussed/found so far.

[CarolRR]

Good morning to all, and thanks to each one of you for your suggestions - definitely worth following up on.

In my inbox this morning, I found the following reply from the Nottingham Archives people (I had mentioned to them that Harriet, daughter Alice and son John were all showing as residents of the Workhouse in the 1911 census):

"Reference: DB/EH/70/3/13-1160
Please Ask For: Search Room

Dear Ms Reid

Thank you for your email of 17 May 2013.
 
We can confirm that we hold the Nottingham Union Workhouse records.   We have consulted the following records:
 
Ref:  SO/PUO/2/6/9
Indexes to indoor relief lists, 1905 - c1910
 
Names not found
 
Ref:  SO/PUO/2/1/44
Admission and discharge register, Aug 1910 - May 1911
 
Names not found.
 
Please note that there are earlier registers dating back to 1856 and later registers up to 1920 but there is a gap from May 1911 - May 1919 (Ref: SO/PUO/2/1/1-45)."

So ...  that wasn't very helpful ... 



 

[MonicaL]

This is where you need to roll up your sleeves on a personal search, and get stuck in to the records to see how else they may be entered. Not just around the time of the census, but historically. It may well also be that Harriet's death was also at the workhouse (I think it was Ruskie who found a possible death not too many years after 1911 where the registration district fitted?).

Frustrating Carol, but doesn't mean there is nothing there, just maybe the person at the archives is unable due to time pressures to do further checks? Might be worth checking with this person who has emailed, what exactly has been checked (name of document/archive) so that you have it on record.

You are in this for the long run....

Monica

[CarolRR]

Thanks Monica - I'm not about to let this latest bit of info slow me down - it's a hurdle, there have been lots of them along the way ...  and there will likely be (hopefully) just a couple more! 
Fingers crossed that the certificates will prove more fruitful.  I have ordered Mary Ann Fisher's birth certificate; the marriage certificate of James Hall and Harriet Fisher; and Harriet Fisher's death certificate. 
I wasn't aware that there was a registry for vaccinations - I had enquired (years ago) about this and was told that vaccination was mandatory and it would be impossible to track - in hindsight, that was correct, as her name was wrong!  It's definitely worth pursuing.  Thanks for that information, and all of the clippings, etc.  I am so very grateful for everyone's efforts!  It's unfortunate that the names we are dealing with are so common.  Onwards ... 

[CarolRR]

Just took a peek at the Basford Workhouse listing - thanks for the link!