Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[Ruskie]

Monica it was another chatter (not me  ) who found the death of a Harriet Fisher, in 1919 I think.

Looking at the information from the Notts Archives, it seems that because you said you found Harriet and the children in the Workhouse in 1911, they have only checked the years around the 1911 census.

Harriet Fisher was in the Basford Workhouse in the 1901 census and the Bagthorpe Workhouse in the 1911 census. She could have gone from Basford to Bagthorpe any time between 1901 and 1911, so checking admission/discharge between 1910 and 1911 may not pick her up.

Agree with Monica, you need the personal touch in this search.  [I would try the Notts board myself to request a lookup]

[Nice of the archives to look and respond so quickly though]

[I have just re-read this post and I think I'm saying exactly the same thing as Monica did  :-[]

[CarolRR]

Ruskie, my in-experience shows ...  I thought that I was being helpful by providing Archives with a timeframe - I will try this again ...  thanks for your help.

[cocksie]

And ask the archives to look under the surnames Hall and Fisher ...

[Ruskie]

Ruskie, my in-experience shows ...  I thought that I was being helpful by providing Archives with a timeframe - I will try this again ...  thanks for your help.

If you had given them a broad timeframe they may not be willing or able to spend time searching. Still unsure how thorough they would be. (sorry to be a little sceptical  and this may be competely unfounded). I don't know how their records are kept - a search may be a simple matter of looking through an alphabetical list of names with none or very little chance of 'missing' her, but if it is complicated and time consuming .... 

I may be completely wrong .... 

[CarolRR]

Hi Ruskie - I hear you ...  and I wondered whether I had one crack at it ...  one name, one date and that's it.  I advised them that Harriet had been shown on the 1911 census in the Workhouse, with her children.  When I sent my second reply to them earlier today, I was a bit more specific with the dates of the two different census(es?) (plural of census?)   showing the two different Workhouses and the variation in the names between Harriet and her children.  Hopefully someone will not look at this with blinders on.
I also posted a look-up request on the Nottingham board on this site, asking for help locating the families of James Hall and Harriet Fisher - hopefully something will come of it.  Fingers crossed.
Thanks for the guidance provided by everyone!
Sometimes I wonder if Harriet is even the mother, and Hall the father ...  perhaps the certificates will arrive by the end of the week.  I'm anxious to see them.

[susan hemmings]

I know you are waiting in anticipation of certificates, but I stumbled across this:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N68Q-19C

Someone mentioned CROOKES..
It flew out at me, especially as the mother (of possibly James Hall) was Mary ALICE Crookes.  Wasn't Alice one of his supposed children with Harriett?

Nt Nt

[CarolRR]

Hi Susan, thanks for the information.  Darned Crooks have surfaced again!   
Yes, you're right about Harriet's younger daughter, she was "Alice Hall" who was 2 years old in the 1901 census. 
In looking at the dates, my notes show James Hall b. 1876; father William b. 1854, therefore, the birth-dates for the William who married Alice Crooke, doesn't fit. 
Thanks for looking at this though!
Sleep tight! 

[Ruskie]

I can't wait for the certificates either (and it's not even my family  )

It will be interesting to see if Notts Archives will be prepared to have another look for you with the additional information you provided. Also, I hope you get some volunteer helpers on the Notts board or I'm going to look pretty silly for repeatedly suggesting that you post there. 

[cocksie]

I, also, cannot wait for the certs.
I see you are getting some response on the Notts board.
Due to my own current unmoveable brick walls I have been checking/looking up/following back Fisher families in Ilkeston - on the basis that the certs will confirm and potentially add info to what chatterers have found....... Which may not happen but i am an optomist.
The good news is that Harriet Fisher's parents (assuming George and Harriet) are very very easy to follow backwards in time through the censuses, to George's father (and grandfather) and George's siblings.  Red herrings and possibilities are also easily discarded. And seemingly few conundrums with life events in sequence (ie marriage, followed by birth etc all registered).
It will be such fun!
I have also checked that family tree (mentioned on this thread and the old one) against records and documents. Yes George and Harriet fisher did have an elder daughter Mary Ann in ilkeston. And yes a Mary Ann fisher did marry an Arthur Hall (whether the 2 Mary Ann fishers are one and the same is not 100% but seems highly likely)  I cannot substantiate that she ever married another hall brother as yet (and cannot work out when she had the time to do so).
And the only Harriet marrying a George fisher is a Harriet Orme - as already posted on this and the other threads.....
Hurry up certs!