Can anyone help please?

[Jacrista]

Big big disapointment today I think I've just discovered that I've been researching down the wrong route I guess you can imagine how gutted I am as I have done such a lot so far, anyway, I don't know if anyone can help me out here.

 Starting with Herbert Darling born approx 1880 in Bradford, on the 1911 census he is in Chesterfield Derbyshire as a lodger and goes on to marry their daughter Agnes Ellis, he dies in 1923 in Chesterfield.

 On the 1901 census I have him working on a farm in Yorkshire, and in 1891 he's in 'Nutters Orphanage' in Bradford along with his brother George.

On the 1881 census he is in Bradford with his parents, brother George and two sisters, Grace & Mary Jane who both died 1882 & 1883.

 Now here in lies my dilemma, what has happened to his father John? (stone mason) born Scarborough 1851, his mother Harriet dies in 1887, I can find no other records for him, either before or after this census date, no birth, death or marriage.

I had assumed that he went on to marry 'Eliza Glaves', and this is where I am sure I have gone wrong (and this is the line I've been following) after discovering another record for 'Eliza's John' yesterday, which on the 1881 census puts him in East Ayton Yorkshire as a farm servant, so he could hardly be in Bradford with his parents!!

 Oh boy, all the work I've done, I'm gutted!

But anyway, getting off on the right line is proving difficult, as I said I can't find any records for the 'right John' I assume his kids (Herbert & George) were put in an orphange after their Mum died, but what happened to John? can anyone help, point me in the right direction or just something, I'm pretty close to giving up altogether I can tell you, I'm so mad, grrrrrrr
Would be eternally grateful for any snippet anyone can offer, thanks.

(Forgot to say that I got Herberts fathers name and occupation from Herberts parish record of his marriage)

[rosie99]

On the 1881 census he is in Bradford with his parents, brother George and two sisters, Grace & Mary Jane who both died 1882 & 1883.

There are christenings for  a Herbert Darling with parents Edward Darling and Harriet in 1880 and George in 1878.  Grace born 1874 has parents John Edward Darling & Harriet.  Harriet seniors maiden name was Brayshaw according to Graces christening are these your family? Herberts has the same mothers maiden name

ADDED MMN could be BrayshaY

[Ladyhawk]

Rosie99 was just about to add 1881 census details in case anyone could help

 John has the middle initial E

1881 c Piece:   4449 Folio: 86 Page Number:   34
15 Stott Hill Place Bradford
John E Darling 30 Scarbro’ Stone Mason
Harriet 29 Bradford
Grace 7
Mary J 5
George 3
HERBERT

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looks as if he married as EDWIN

Marriage entry FreeBMD
Dec 1873 Bradford Y Vol 9b page 67
Edwin DARLING
Name on same page
Harriet BRAYSHAW

[rosie99]

As he married as Edwin

Death March qtr 1885 
Darling    Edwin
age    35   
Bradford, Y.    9b   59

[Ladyhawk]

Sorry don't have access to full census could this be him 1871 census Yorkshire

Edward Darling age 21 c. 1850    occ   Stone Mason Esholl Yorkshire    

[rosie99]

looks as if he married as EDWIN

Marriage entry FreeBMD
Dec 1873 Bradford Y Vol 9b page 67
Edwin DARLING
Name on same page
Harriet BRAYSHAW

Marriage at St Peter, Bradford (Bradford Cathedral)
18 Oct 1873
Edwin Darling age 23 occ Mason father George Darling occ Grocer
Harriet Brayshaw age 22 father James Brayshaw occ Fruiterer

[Ladyhawk]

Marriage at St Peter, Bradford (Bradford Cathedral)
18 Oct 1873
Edwin Darling age 23 occ Mason father George Darling occ Grocer
Harriet Brayshaw age 22 father James Brayshaw occ Fruiterer

possibly John Edward/Edwin's father on 1871 census Yorkshire
George Darling age 47 c. 1824  West Ayton Yorkshire Occ Retired Grocer    

family search 1871 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZGW-D3S
George Darling 47 b1824, dau Jane age 19 son John age13  , all born West Ayton

1881 c Piece:   4807 Folio: 122 Page Number:   12
Back Lane
George Daniel 33 Gardener
Grace 32 West Ayton
Maud N 6
GEORGE Darling widow f-i-l 57 West Ayton Yorkshire occ Grocer out of Employ

If this is John Edward/Edwin's father looks as if he had a sister named Grace

This looks to be Grace's marriage entry FreeBMD

Jun 1873 Scarbro Vol 9d page 557
Grace Hostler Darling
Name on same page
George Daniel

[keyboard86]

Hi all think he is Edwin in 1851 Father George Grocer (Master) Mother Mary.

Census Ref HO107/2368/656/26

Keyboard86

[Ladyhawk]

Hi all think he is Edwin in 1851 Father George Grocer (Master) Mother Mary.

Census Ref HO107/2368/656/26

FreeBMD marriage entry

Mar 1845 Scarborough vol 24 page 507
George DARLING
Name on same page
Mary SMITH

Scarbro birth entries FreeBMD which may relate to your Darling family,
West Ayton is in the registration district of Scarbro'

1851c Scarborough, Hutton Buskell
George Darling 28 (1823) West Ayton
Mary 25 (1826) Leathley
William 6 (1845) East Ayton
Hannah 5 (1846)    “      “
EDWIN 3 (1848) West Ayton
Grace 2 (1849) West Ayton
Mary

Dec 1847 EDWIN Darling (I wonder if this is John Edward/Edwin birth a little earlier than 1850  )
Jun 1849  Grace Darling  (this looks to be the same Grace as on 1881c with father George

Dec 1851 Jane Darling (this looks to be the same Jane as on 1871c with father George)
Jun 1857 John Darling ( “       “                 “     “    John “    “  “          “         "        "

amended  Obtaining b/c of one of the children above would confirm if mmn SMITH

Jacrista - let us know what you think 

added for Info.

1851c  James I   Brayshaw c. 1823 Holbeck occ Green Grocer   

1861c Bradford East End
James Brayshaw 37 Holbeck occ Green Grocer
Grace 32 Bradford
Mary J 12, Ellen A 10, HARRIET 8, Edward H 6, Ellen 3, Ada 1

1871c Harriet Brayshaw age 18 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBZ7-4PW

Jun 1847 Bradford Yk James Brayshaw name on same page Grace Hodgson