Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?

[CarolRR]

My apologies Giblet - I have this sense that you're 'right there' and forget that you're not ... 
If this is the right Harriet, her son would have only been 14 when she died.  Another interesting similarity ... when my grandmother passed away, her youngest daughter was 13. 

[gpixie]

Hi Carol,

Not sure if this is relevant but I've found a family tree on Ancestry listing a Mary J Fisher with parents George and Harriett born in Ilkeston, Derbyshire 1862. It also lists a sister for her - Harriett born 1874 though there are no indications of the sources for this information which is important to keep in mind.

Interestingly it says Mary J married two brothers; Samual Hall 1858 to 1891 and Arthur Hall born 1869 Riddings, Derbyshire. Samual and Arthur's father is listed as William and mother is Ann Froggatt.

Just though I would mention as a possible link to investigate? There appear to be living relatives descended from this tree.

[CarolRR]

Thank you MargP and Carol - I would hope that her children would have been able to fill in those blanks on the certificate - I will order it this evening.
Thanks again Giblet.

[CarolRR]

gpixie - oh my!  Fascinating!  Was James Hall's mother's name showing anywhere?  I don't recall seeing it.  What a mess this is (sounds like my Fisher-Potter-Hall fiasco).  2 sisters marrying 2 (3!) brothers?
Living relatives ...  my stomach has flipped
I do appreciate this find gpixie, thank you.

[susan hemmings]

That's a find.

I noticed the father, William, was a labourer in an iron works on 1871 census.  Can this tie in with his occupation given on James and Harriet's wedding certificate/record in 1895 (I cannot find it or the baptism of Mary Ann for love or money)

Well done

on 1881 William is still working as an Ironworks labourer as are his sons).  If I remember correctly (from Ruskie's excellent timeline) that James also worked in the Iron foundary.  No sign of him (James) on 1881 census with family. 
Worth noting that William born in Leicester, family lived in Derby and I cannot remember the other place James tramped into and out of but it seems to make sense of his tramping round with these familial places they inhabited.

Edited:  Why am I so excited about Leicester.  Sorry, got my underwear in a twist. Too late and I am too old!

[giblet]

When googling William Hall and Ann Froggatt quiet a bit comes up. Could be worth checking out.

[CarolRR]

I also have unexplained DNA matches (cousins) in Australia

[giblet]

I also have unexplained DNA matches (cousins) in Australia

Yes apparently you do 

A great grandchild of William Hall and Ann Froggatt is in Australia.
Not sure if im allowed to post this link ... A mod will remove it if im not 
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DERBYSGEN/2004-07/1090404305

edited..
Well that was a really stupid reply i posted You may not have come from the Hall side of things

note to myself : Think before putting mouth in gear giblet  or rather fingers on keyboard.

[Maddie]

I have been following this amazing thread & well done to all who have found so much in such a short time.

Sorry, but I'm a little worried about the tree on Ancestry for the Fisher family. The time line that Ruskie has written out contains the 1881 census for George Fisher, Coal Miner aged 44 born Ilkeston, his wife Harriet age 49 born Cotmanhay & their daughter Harriet aged 7 born Ilkeston. living at 11 Charlotte Street. The 1871 has George, wife Harriet & a daughter MARY ANN age 10 living at Charlotte Street.

From Family Search there is a marriage for a Mary Ann Fisher to a John Scattergood 4th June 1884 at Cotmanhay. Her father was George.

I see another family on the 1881 for another George & Harriet Fisher with a daughter Mary Jane but they are in Nottingham not Ilkeston.

Would welcome other opinions please.

Maddie