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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #90 on: Thursday 16 May 13 04:19 BST (UK) »
Prisoner said that about 2 years ago he cohabited with the child's mother at Ilkeston and married her when the child was two or three months old. He had been with her ever since till last December when they come to Loughbourgh. The wife of his was going about town with another man and he thought it was time to " get shut of her" as quick as he could.  She and another youngster went away and prisoner had always had this baby girl with him. He had never done anything wrong to it and it always had plenty to eat and a bed to go to.
Florence Lea said she was keeping company with the prisoner. She had never seen him ill use the child during the three months she had been with him. It is not true he hung her up with a strap or kicked her. The affair in the yard was when she fell against the sink and cut her forehead.
By Mr Deane:- She come to Loughborough at the beginning of the fair and made prisoners acquaintance at the Model, and went away with him on Sunday and has been with him ever since.
The Bench convicted and the Chairman said they considered it a very gross case of cruelty. Prisoner   would go to goal for ten weeks - hard labour.
Mr Deane applied that the child should be sent to the Workhouse till instructions had been received from the society as to its custody.
The Clerk said the bench had no power to make a order of that kind after the father had been convicted.
The Deputy Chief Constable however stating that the woman Lea was not willing to take charge of the child, Mr Bosworth said the relieving officier would have to see to it. The court would not need to make any order...

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #91 on: Thursday 16 May 13 04:37 BST (UK) »
That is an epic giblet!  ;D What a lot of work but I'm sure it will be worth it. (I'm going to read it again).

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #92 on: Thursday 16 May 13 04:44 BST (UK) »
If they "can" this one giblet will not be real happy  ;D

I feel it needs to be on the thread for members to understand the whole story, and it has names and dates etc as well. It all helps when searching.

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #93 on: Thursday 16 May 13 04:51 BST (UK) »
Have been following this through since first posted.  Fantastic effort giblet to type this out.  Read the original article.

The person who identifies the child by Mary Ann is one of the witnesses, 78 year old Mary Sheriff.  She does mention that she knew the man and the woman with the child.  Does this mean that she knew them prior to the couple and Mary Ann staying at the Model?  Don't know if this is worth following up.

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #94 on: Thursday 16 May 13 06:15 BST (UK) »
I too have been following this thread and watching the story unfold due to the efforts of the magical rootschatters.  I would like to make a suggestion that a thorough Timeline is developed recording all dates,places and people as sometimes even "gaps" in the story need following up.  In an earlier life, I used to work in child protection, logging every bit of information on each case.

The newspaper report is quite thorough, and unlike modern times, names are reported.  To be reported at such length indicates the seriousness of the court case as viewed by the community - even the Mayor is named.  The court case is really about bringing Hall to account.  It is likely that the community (and Protection Agencies) would have cared about "What happens to Mary Ann" well beyond this court case.

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #95 on: Thursday 16 May 13 06:19 BST (UK) »
If they "can" this one giblet will not be real happy  ;D

I feel it needs to be on the thread for members to understand the whole story, and it has names and dates etc as well. It all helps when searching.

It will be OK this time, because it's a transcription by giblet.
If anyone owns the copyright, it's giblet!

The problem before was the copyright of the images; NOT the information contained in those images.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #96 on: Thursday 16 May 13 07:55 BST (UK) »
How moving.  :'(

I was a NSPCC and Barnardo child from the age of 9 months.

I had great difficulty gaining information from the NSPCC who at first refused me
access to it, I fought them though, and it explained the situation of being under
their care and the documents were at the Local Record Office.

I know this is a different time period but is it a place that has been tried.

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #97 on: Thursday 16 May 13 08:26 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Having been following this thread with awe.
What a story.
Well done to all the researchers for the fantastic outcome. (managed to read Giblet's posts :-X)
And Carole, best of luck with your future research if and when you decide to pursue it.
Best wishes,
Looby

And then giblet's posts got canned  ;D

Good to read it again Giblet. It was good of you to transcribe it and let everyone get the full picture.
Congratulations to all those who have worked on this thread.
Looby

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Re: Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?
« Reply #98 on: Thursday 16 May 13 08:47 BST (UK) »
Only just managed to catch up on this very moving and heartbreaking story and well done to all the marvellous researchers who are doing such a wonderful job helping Carol. Giblet has certainly gone the extra mile with the typing!!

Carol - I'm so pleased that at last you are getting closer to understanding your Grandmother's sad story. I can well understand the emotion you feel. Welcome to RootsChat by the way.  :)

King regards,
Maggie
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