Grandmother stolen at 2 years of age (1897). Help?

[heywood]

The difficulty is that the surnames here are quite common in the localities and sometimes repeat the same first names.
It is perhaps best to try to establish that these are the right people through certificates.
Mary Ann Fisher's birth certificate will confirm re Harriet (which seems to be ok anyway).
The marriage certificate of James Hall and Harriet may help to identify him in records through his father's occupation.
Any other birth certificates for Harriet's children will add to the picture.
Harriet's death certificate would perhaps be a closure for this sad episode in England.
Hopefully, there may be some more information coming from the Workhouse records.
At the time of Mary Ann's foster care and journey to Canada, her origins were unknown. There may be some clues in any workhouse records.

heywood

[susan hemmings]

   Double note to myself then. 

The tree discovered by gpixie is fascinating.  References to people born and died in Oz.  Nearly 2000 people on the tree. Hall branch goes back via a Danvers surname to 1500s.  Phew.  Caution before proceeding obviously. 

As Giblet says you may not descend from Hall, but Harriet Fisher is there.  Unless of course it is totally wrong as Maddie says.  Time and certified confirmation will tell.

Hope you can get access to it Carol, just for a peek if nothing else. 

This is such a fascinating and painful thread.  It is so wonderful to see the hard work done by the magicians on this forum.  It is like a flowers petals unfurling in the sunlight.

Giblet, forgot to thank you for the typed up transcription.

[Maddie]

A little more, the 1901 census finds John Scattergood aged 37 a coal miner (hewer) born Ilkeston, wife Mary A aged 38 born Ilkeston & a daughter Harriet aged 8 also Ilkeston living at Lower Granby Street Ilkeston. Piece 3150 folio 87 page 19.

Added, I do agree with heywood, hopefully some of this info will help in one way or another.

Maddie

[CarolRR]

Giblet, I have a total of 31 DNA relative matches in Australia, which I cannot explain.  I'm not prepared, just yet, to pursue those matches.  One of them has "Hall" in her list of ancestral names.
I have ordered Harriet Fisher's death certificate and Mary Ann Fisher's birth certificate.  Do I have the necessary information to order the marriage certificate of James Hall and Harriet Fisher?  I have been keeping notes but don't see the GRO required info. anywhere.  I noticed Harriet's children are showing as:  Alice "Hall" Mar 1899 Basford 7b 220 and John Fisher, Mar 1906 Basford 7b 236 and another John Henry Fisher, Mar 1906 Basford 7b 163 and finally John Fisher Dec 1905 Nottingham 7b 410.  Is it odd that Alice goes by "Hall" and not "Fisher" - I don't want to mess up the application for birth certificate with incorrect information. 

[susan hemmings]

Well done Carol.  It will be interesting to see what transpires.

I could not find a marriage for James and Harriett anywhere that confirmed their respective ages or father's names.  I only have access to Ancestry so that is probably why.

Good luck.  Fingers crossed Carol.  Blessings to you.

[CarolRR]

susan hemmings, thank you for your kindness, and your help.

[susan hemmings]

FISHER Harriet           Basford.7b     205         Q1       1896   
HALL James           Basford.7b     205         Q1       1896

Think this is what you need Carol.   

[ballydw]

What can I say such a sad & heart wrenching story and such wonderful researchers on this site who are giving "their all" to solve this mystery .I will add just a few points that maybe of interest.

In the 1901 Census for Harriet Fisher in Basford Nottinghamshire, GPIXIE Post 136 mentioned the surname FROGATT. There is a Mary Ann Frogatt age 41 Born Shipley Derbyshire Inmate, Joseph Frogatt age 12 Born Shipley Notts, John Frogatt age 15 born Shipley Notts in the same institution - just wondering connection if any!!! Also the Tree that GPIXIE mentioned Mary Ann is listed as a Half sibling to Harriet.

In the 1911 Census for Harriet Fisher inmate in Bagthorpe Workhouse with Alice 13, John 6yrs, Harriet is listed as an Imbecile.
Has anyone followed up on Alice Fisher & John? There is a possibility of a marriage for a Alice Fisher b. 1898 Notts in Sept 1920 to surname FOULDS reg dist Nottinghamshire.  My regards to the lady who posted the initial Post seeking her grandmothers possible history, I wish you well

[CarolRR]

Thank you Susan, I appreciate your help.  I don't have access to Ancestry but I think that I would find that tree somewhat overwhelming right now.  I am alone and am keeping all of this information to myself as I want to make sure that I have everything in order when I reveal it to my family.  I am heavily invested in this, emotionally, and don't want to get ahead of myself - it's right at my core.
How I wish that we were all sitting in a room together - I would love to know all of you.
Thank you, each and every one of you.