Fishing links between Cornwall and Ireland early 1800s

[dunkmac74]

Hi All
After getting wedding cert out of attic for the son it doesnt give fathers occupation as Mariner it actually says Sailor?is that the same thing as Mariner?or should i restart my research stating sailor now ???Dunc

[JaneyCanuck]

I would say same thing, more modern terminology.

This is the 1898 marriage of the son John?
- edit - that was stupid - that is the remarriage of James Forester McDonald himself

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=344739

where he is the sailor (father John - not James - is farm labourer).

The 1874 marriage I think of the father James:
- edit - no, it is the first marriage of the same James Forester McDonald

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=344547

where he is called Mariner (father is labourer -- I think it's what old sailors became ).


So JFMcD was called Mariner when he married in 1874 at age 27 and Sailor when he remarried in 1898 at age 50. He is luckily enumerated twice in 1901 -- once with wife Bridget (and crossed off and shown as on board SS Lyonnesse, Penzance, and once on the vessel, a screw steamer, and him a Seaman).

(Remarried to his deceased wife's sister? My grx2 grandfather was born in sin because his mother was his father's deceased wife's sister and it was illegal for them to marry at that time. )

[dunkmac74]

Nice one Janey!me heads all over the shop now mariner sailor from what i can gather on google and other countless research theres 3 possibilities 1 Birth in Dublin 2 McDonald boat builders County Donegall 3 privateer 1812 on the ship called Dart next stop for me is researching newlyn Penzance museum he who dares wins! Dunc

[osprey]

shouldn't take long to research the museum, it's a couple of rooms in Penlee House

http://www.penleehouse.org.uk/

http://www.museumsincornwall.org.uk/

What is it you're trying to find out? It may be something that a library can help with.

http://www.morrablibrary.org.uk/

[osprey]

this may help with the difference between mariner and sailor

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,310299.msg3198167.html#msg3198167

[dunkmac74]

Thanks for the replies Janey and Osprey really appreciated thanks Janey thats right he did remarry his dead wifes sister!talk bout keep it i the family! id often wondered why sailors etc come up as labourers and farm labourers etc on diffrent census records i was told out of season or when weather was bad the people of Nwlyn etc turned to farm labouring till weather changed or season started up again?as for trying the museums i just tought i email see if they can add anything as i did this at Isles of Scilly and i was kindly sent loads od info and census records im just curious to see if my relative pops up  in any of their records worth i try maybe Dunc

[Graylight]

Excerpt from NEWLYN - A VIEW FROM STREET-AN-NOWAN by John Cecil Jenkin

Just read this piece this morning...

"...and around 1829, Charles KELYNACK, grandson of Old Bunger who rescued Wesley from a hostile crowd, persuaded Newlyn fishermen to fish for herrings in Irish waters, beginning in July after the mackerel season. By 1838 some 100 boats took part regularly."

There's also a famous painting by Stanhope Forbes called Off To Skibbereen which shows a boat setting sail from Newlyn. Skibbereen is on the coast of County Cork, if I remember correctly.

I just noticed that this doesn't really tie in with your dates, but I'll leave the info on here anyhow.

[dunkmac74]

Thanks Graylight for your reply really appreciated it ive recently found an article online by a man called Vingoe from Newlyn where he says that there were fishing crews fishing around Ireland like i say Newlyn to Dublin and Mousehole to County Donegall at the start of 1800 so all the links are looking good thanks again Dunc