Craig Brackenridge New Monkland

[geneaglutton]

I have an ancestor named John Craig who married Mary Gartshore in 1810 in New Monkland.  I have Mary's death record but not John's.  He was living in Cambusnethan in 1856 when his daughter Mary married John Hamilton.  Mary (Gartshore) is a widow in Hamilton in 1861.  My efforts to find John's death on Scotland's People have so far been unsuccessful. 

John could have been the son of William Craig and Jean Brackenridge of New Monkland.  They had a son John in 1785, which works with John's age in the 1851 census.  It's a little off for the 1841 census, but I understand census takers were told to round off upwards.  I see some old posts online from a researcher working on William Craig, son of William Craig and Jean Brackenridge.  She/He says William's brother John died in Indiana, but I find no source.  Does anyone know anything about the Craig Brackenridge family?  I'd love for my John to connect to them, but I'd be content to eliminate them as a possibility.

Mahalo (thank you in Hawaiian)
Geneaglutton

[Forfarian]

Just out of curiosity, who were this Mary Gartshore's parents? I have a lot of New Monkland Gartshores, and many of them emigrated to Canada.

[Forfarian]

It's a little off for the 1841 census, but I understand census takers were told to round off upwards

In 1841 the enumerators were instructed to round adults' ages down to the nearest 5 years. So someone born in 1785 should be listed as aged 55.

[geneaglutton]

Forfarian,

That's interesting, because I read the exact opposite on census ages, but it was a long time ago, and I'm losing brain cells daily.

The Mary Gartshore who married my John Craig was the daughter of George Gartshore and Elizabeth "Bethia" Thomson.  She was born on 1 Dec 1788 in New Monkland and died on 26 May 1873 in Hamilton.  George Gartshore was the son of John Gartshore and Janet Waddell.  John was the son of John Gartshore and Susanna Howie.  That John was the son of John Gartshore and Elizabeth Wood.  He was the son of another John Gartshore and was the one who moved from Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire to New Monkland.

My information comes primarily from Graham Gartshore (in Scotland) and/or Sondra Gartshore Jernigan (in Canada).  Graham's website is at http://www.gartshorefamilyhistory.co.uk/.   It's a great site with photographs and excerpts from Thomas Watson's book about Kirkintilloch and a book about the parish of New Monkland.  Graham believes that all the Gartshores in the world stem from this family.  Sondra wrote a book about her Canadian Gartshores.  A quick Google search shows me several of her posts on Ancestry.com and rootsweb.com.  The most current email address I see for her online is ^(*), but that's 10 years old.

I can email you a Gartshore gedcom if you want to leave me a personal message with your email address.

Aloha,
Geneaglutton

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[weeaza]

Hi Geneaglutton

Here is an extract from the 1841 census information from S.P.

Points to note about the 1841 Census:

•Although the names of household members were recorded, the head of the household was not denoted and therefore relationship of household members to the head is absent.
•Enumerators were instructed to round down the ages of persons 15 years and over to the nearest five years. Hence a given age of 28 would be recorded as 25, one of 63 as 60 and so on. If a person lied about their age, this, combined with the rounding down, could severely distort the actual age. You will find instances where enumerators did not adhere to this instruction on age and inserted the given age.

[Forfarian]

Thank you for your offer of a GEDCOM. I will PM you as suggested.
 
I collect Waddells in New Monkland, so I would be extremely interested in seeing a GEDCOM of your Gartshores.

I also have Howies in Shotts/New Monkland, though I am not getting on quite so well with the, and I see that you mention a Susanna Howie.

I am aware of Robert Gartshore and Mary Mochrie, who must have married about 1752. I have Robert's parents as John Gartshore and Anna Howie, and Mary Mochrie's parents as James Mochrie and Mary Waddell. This Mary was a daughter of the Stanrigg Waddells.

I'm aware of the Gartshore web site, where I have found quite a lot of relevant information.

[SoniJ]

"That John was the son of John Gartshore and Elizabeth Wood.  He was the son of another John Gartshore and was the one who moved from Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire to New Monkland."

These are my ancestors and there is no existing evidence that the father of John Gartshore who married Elizabeth Wood was a John Gartshore of Kirkintilloch.  In fact, there is no record of who John Gartshore's father might have been or where he lived, though a distant cousin, Graham Gartshore, may be correct in assuming he was named John Gartshore.   I have a copy of the marriage record of John Gartshore and Elizabeth Wood and copies of the sasines whereby John Gartshore borrowed money from Alexander Gartshore of Gartshore in December 1688, bought Middle Blairlin a week later and had paid back Alexander Gartshore by 1694 (interesting since these were times of economic hardship and religious and political turmoil).   No documentation has been found to explain the relationship between the two families but the proximity of their land (about 3 miles apart) and the fact of the loan suggest a possible/probable kinship.  Although much is known about the Gartshores of Gartshore back to the early 1600's and some references prior to this, there is no evidence yet found to prove a relationship....so far anyway.  The Gartshores of Gartshore eventually had no direct descendants and the estate was given to a distant relative through their female line, John Murray, 2nd son of Sir Patrick Murray, 6th Bart. of Ochtertyre, who took the surname Gartshore.  Unfortunately, they didn't offered it to my ancestors!

[SoniJ]

I have an ancestor named John Craig who married Mary Gartshore in 1810 in New Monkland.

Hi geneaglutton.  We have corresponded in the past.  I'm new on Rootschat so still trying to learn the format for quotes etc.

I wonder if your John Craig was related to John Craig who was a witness at the 29 December 1712 marriage between John Gartshore and Susanna Howie. The New Monkland OPR entry is as follows:
p. 243
1712 Decr 29 John Gartshore and Susanna Howie  Witt: John Craig yo[unge]r in Middle Blairlin and William Thome son to Ro[ber]t Thome in Easter Glentore

I have also been unsuccessful at finding the ancestry of Susanna Howie, born abt. 1690. Since she and her husband, John Gartshore, named a son Joseph (b. 1736), I have wondered if she was related to Joseph Howie of Meikle Drumgray. However, I have not been able to find anything about her ancestry, let alone whether she is connected to Joseph Howie.  Any info would be welcome!

[Forfarian]

1712 Decr 29 John Gartshore and Susanna Howie  Witt: John Craig yo[unge]r in Middle Blairlin and William Thome son to Ro[ber]t Thome in Easter Glentore

I have also been unsuccessful at finding the ancestry of Susanna Howie, born abt. 1690. Since she and her husband, John Gartshore, named a son Joseph (b. 1736), I have wondered if she was related to Joseph Howie of Meikle Drumgray. However, I have not been able to find anything about her ancestry, let alone whether she is connected to Joseph Howie.  Any info would be welcome!

Interesting! She is certainly not a daughter of Joseph Howie of Meikle Drumgray, because he did not marry Elizabeth Hay until 1717. The Sasines suggest that Joseph's parents were Robert Howie, younger of Glentore, and Elizabeth Manuel, who were married in 16 May 1686. However I know of only four children of that marriage, not including a Susanna. On the other hand, one witness was from Easter Glentore, which was in the Howie family before Meikle Drumgray, so it does look very likely that she was a relative.

There is one sasine (RS42/XI.267 - between 1699 and 1709) which mentions
Joseph Howie of Meikle Drumgray, son of Robert Howie, portioner of Easter Glentore
His wife Elizabeth Hay, daughter of George Hay in Annathill
Joseph Howie, portioner of Easter Glentore
Robert Howie of Ruchrig, writer in Hamilton, son of Robert Howie yr, portioner of Easter Glentore

and one (RS42/IX.458 - between 1688 and 1693) which mentions Janet, Margaret and Robert of Ruchrig as children of Robert H, Yr, portioner of Easter Glentore. It also mentions Joseph H, portioner of Easter Glentore, though the index doesn't make it clear whether this refers to Joseph Sr or his grandson Joseph Jr.

I will obviously have to bite the bullet and have a look at these - though my chances of deciphering them unaided are small.

However there is no mention in the index of Susanna Howie.