Samuel Smith and his wife Rachel Brown married 1817 or 1819? LONG SHOT

[..claire..]

Hi

Have noted the two sons Richard and John both married two sisters Mary and Sarah Brooks, on each wedding cert. two of the witnesses mentioned were an Ephraim Smith (witnessed Richards wedding) and a Joseph Smith (witnessed John's wedding).  Wonder what relation they may be?

claire

[suzard]

It looks like Ellen Smith who married William Croft Forest was the daughter of rachel who married Samuel Hardaker

1861
Rawdon
Thomas Smith head M 48 woollen weaver
Rachel wife 44
Mary daughter 19
ELLEN daughter 15
John son 12
Joseph son 9
all b rawdon
RG9 3215 91 47

so it looks like we have discovered "your" rachel is not the one who married Samuel hardaker???

When you find a probate record giving date of death it is always wise to go to BMD reg's and find the person in the correct quarter and thus find age .

Also remember when you find a marriage record which states "of this parish" it doesn't necessarily mean the person was born there -but at the time of marriage was residing there.

Suz

[jensav]

Hi

Have noted the two sons Richard and John both married two sisters Mary and Sarah Brooks, on each wedding cert. two of the witnesses mentioned were an Ephraim Smith (witnessed Richards wedding) and a Joseph Smith (witnessed John's wedding).  Wonder what relation they may be?

claire

I noticed that too.. Joseph Smith is also on the witnesses for the other couple's marriage on that page.  Ephraim could be something though..

[jensav]

It looks like Ellen Smith who married William Croft Forest was the daughter of rachel who married Samuel Hardaker

1861
Rawdon
Thomas Smith head M 48 woollen weaver
Rachel wife 44
Mary daughter 19
ELLEN daughter 15
John son 12
Joseph son 9
all b rawdon
RG9 3215 91 47

so it looks like we have discovered "your" rachel is not the one who married Samuel hardaker???

When you find a probate record giving date of death it is always wise to go to BMD reg's and find the person in the correct quarter and thus find age .

Also remember when you find a marriage record which states "of this parish" it doesn't necessarily mean the person was born there -but at the time of marriage was residing there.

Suz

thank you, I will definitely do that in future.. I thought I was doing so well too!

[suzard]

I am trying to work back to Rachel & samuel through the children

I have found Richard b 1820 father samuel's occ "Comber"

I have also found John (I think) 1818 - 1851 & 1881 he had unmarried sister Mary living with him - is this correct??

Suz

[..claire..]

Hi

Just found Ephraim Smith witnessing other marriages...looks like another church official.

Gosh! there's a lot of Smiths about 

claire

[jensav]

I am trying to work back to Rachel & samuel through the children

I have found Richard b 1820 father samuel's occ "Comber"

I have also found John (I think) 1818 - 1851 & 1881 he had unmarried sister Mary living with him - is this correct??

Suz

yes thats them

[mosiefish]

Hi.

Rachel was living in Horton on the 1841 census and her surname has been overwritten and it doesn`t look like Smith to me.  It looks more like Bin*s 
Have you considered this marriage:

6th March, 1838
Bradford Parish Church
Jonathan Binns, full age, Bachelor, Horton, father John Binns Comber
Rachel Smith, Full age, Widow, Horton, father John BROWN, Husbandman
both made their mark
Witnesses were John Binns and Charles Cravire?

Mo

[suzard]

if she was only 56 at death, then I cant see it being "my" Rachel.. her son was born in 1818, I have mine as birth approx 1791.


So.. scrapping the Hardaker stuff.. I am now looking for Rachel Brown of Kirkby Overblow.. who married Samuel Smith a woolcomber from Bradford in 1819 in the parish of Kirkby Overblow.

and John Smith their son who was born in pool/otley, Yorkshire.

I can find baptisms for Richard and mary -but not for John -  because he was born 1818 and Rachel did not marry Samuel Smith until 1819 maybe he was the child of a different mother?

Suz