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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #81 on: Monday 16 January 17 22:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kathryn,
I too was there in Feb to April 1965. The Home was called Assisi and was in Hanger Lane, Churt, Surrey. I kept my baby as did two other girls there and we got a flat together in Streatham and used the same babyminder and all went back to work.
There were only two nuns there as I recall who had all the admin and the deliveries to do.
I hope you are alright and had a good life since.
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Anne

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #82 on: Wednesday 18 January 17 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kathryn,
I too was there in Feb to April 1965. The Home was called Assisi and was in Hammer Lane, Churt, Surrey. I kept my baby as did two other girls there and we got a flat together in Streatham and used the same babyminder and all went back to work.
There were only two nuns there as I recall who had all the admin and the deliveries to do.
I hope you are alright and had a good life since.
Regards
Anne

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #83 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 10:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi, can I ask again if anyone has any interior photos of the home? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Home, Grayshott, Hindhead
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 12 March 17 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kathryn,

I have only just become acquainted with the site and seen your posts relating to the above. Albeit a couple of years earlier, I stayed at the Hammer Lane 'House of Horrors' in Grayshott, Hindhead, in 1963 (on two occasions, because they'd misread the special calendar for due dates, and once I was shown this calendar and pointed out the error, I was allowed to return to my parents for the intervening extra month). Memories having already been rather unpleasant, even I am most surprised that I had returned for a further dose. But, unlike you, I didn't give birth there, as the horrendous treatment prompted me to 'leg it' one night, on foot, heavily pregnant at 16, with a hurriedly-gathered portion of my belongings, brought along for the intended 3 months' duration. It was extremely dark out there, and the constant, miserably-cold winter's rainfall unforgiving that night in one of the otherwise most beautiful parts of Surrey countryside and surrounding Devil's Punchbowl. No street lamps along that narrow, leafy lane of hedgerows, shrubbery and a downhill ditch which to navigate, repeatedly jumping for the ditch to avoid oncoming cars - miles before eventually reaching the railway station, in what can now be regarded as a highly-comical condition, deeply bruised and dripping, cut & torn and extremely muddy, ugly holes gaping in the saturated thick black stockings I'd hoped would keep me warm. Never had a station's public phone box been a more welcome sight, and from where I was able to ring my boyfriend, who'd not been exactly welcomed by the nuns during Sunday visits.

Unfortunately, I have no pictures for you - mobiles/technology nor even postal codes having existed back then. I'm sorry that neither had I a camera along, but I would really love to see any shot(s) as it was way back then, if possible please. I have been unable to access the links previously provided on this site, as they seemingly have since been withdrawn.

I well remember the wooden floors and staircases we were required to scrub on our knees and diverse other physical errands as part of our duties, the rather strained mealtimes with the sisters at their separate bench, as well as the gravelled driveway with its separate smaller house, and the private on-site chapel where we attended Mass twice-daily during the time I was resident. In light of recent outrageous finds coming to light in the media, I can categorically validate that it was definitely not only nuns running Irish Mother & Baby Homes, who could be remotely described as "less than kind people". Almost 800 babies could not all merely have died coincidentally, especially when it is also known that those in charge did nothing to ensure hospitalisation of its tiny babies & children and/or the mothers who fell sick, at times for up to several weeks, yet were transferred to hospital only once it was already far too late; indeed a crime in itself. Yet their 'immunity' seemingly protects them from criminal investigation ... It was actually some years ago that two young boys out playing, stumbled across the remains of babies in a septic tank in the grounds of the same previous home in Tuam, Co. Galway, and which led to these further discoveries and more recent press releases regarding that particular site. In this connection, naturally I can't help but wonder whether the replacement apartments' grounds & gardens at Assisi themselves were ever fully-excavated during rebuilding (?)

Hoping to hear whatever, wherever possible please, and very kindest regards.

Juniper22 


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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #85 on: Monday 13 March 17 07:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Juniper22
I read your account with interest and horror. It must have been frightening to run away like that and at only 16. Who knows what their grounds would yield and the optimist in me hopes that because this was the UK and not Ireland, that they played things legally, but who knows? There's a huge amount of detail in our account and it's crazy that you had to attend church twice a day - let alone do all the floors etc. Did you have your own rooms or dormitories? Roughly how many women were there at a time? You spoke about the nuns not being kind. What did they say or do that was unkind - as if running a place like that wasn't unkind in itself?

I was born at the home in November 1963. My mother was Teresa Mangan. Did you meet her? I think they put her to work in the kitchen?

I hope you have had a good life since and I am hoping that in running away, you kept your little one. hope to hear from you.

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Home
« Reply #86 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 16:01 BST (UK) »
Hi there Rosina, Pt I (as my reply exceeds sizing capacity, to be cont'd)

Many thanks for your response to my post, and I apologise for the delay in getting back to you. I sense and can fully understand your interest and thirst for any info relating to your mother's time at the Assisi home, and what Teresa was likely to have experienced there. My heart goes out to you, and to all others who are similarly left still wondering about the environment of their births and how Assisi was run. This is likely to be a lengthy reply, and I know would be better-suited to PM.

But not to keep you waiting any longer in relation to your mother, I'm truly sorry that I can't put a face to the name, but neither can I to anyone there specifically. Having stayed somewhat briefly on both occasions, I hadn't formed any bonds, but I certainly wish I had known your mother. The name Teresa does ring a bell from my time there, although I honestly can't remember whether it was attributable to one or more of my co-sharers, or to one of the sisters. Dependent upon the timing of your own due date of birth in November (i.e. based on the norm of 6 weeks' residence prior to giving birth until 6 weeks afterwards), it's more than probable that we would have met, and is possible that we may even have shared the same cramped bedroom in the Annex, as my son was also born in the November (at the very end). This was a tad ahead of my estimated due December date though, and by then, had already entered an alternative London M&B home roughly two weeks beforehand then 3 days in a nearby hospital. You might perhaps be unaware as to whether your own birth date was more or less to schedule or otherwise though? How my subsequent arrangements had been made in the short time available, escapes me too, as we didn't even have a telephone at home for some years' hence.

As far as sleeping arrangements were concerned, I was not aware of any girls occupying single rooms, or of there being any option to have one for sole occupancy, other than those of the Sisters. I couldn't describe the room I shared with two others as a dormitory, because the Annex in which we were quartered was a small room in a smallish cottage, 2 bedrooms upstairs with a bathroom between, all of which led off a narrow passageway to one side of the house. On the ground floor was a sitting room, where we few occupants sat of an evening, and a form of utility area (this probably also housed the boiler for maintenance as was referred to on site).  At that stage, we were segregated in relation to prenatal & postnatal girls, and I suspect this divisive arrangement kept circulation of some stories to a minimum within our small community, to a certain extent. The only occasions on which I caught sight of any babies, were if a couple of the prams had been left on the driveway in front of the main house in dry, milder weather, more notably during my initial stay from end-September. I'm aware this sounds alarming in the present day climate of potential kidnappings and non-gated properties, and with optimism, assume the babes' safety was somehow closely-monitored from within at all times.

My failure in not having adequately absorbed conversations, names, numbers and arrangements back then, I attribute to my youth's lack of rationality (and frontal cortex - is it not at around one's mid-twenties they now know that the brain fully-develops ;D). By this stage, such details from Assisi are a blur, as well as the standard & type of food served, whereas today I'd automatically make a mental note of them, whilst some other aspects remain clear. I'm not sure that I even met all the girls though, because as I said, we were separated with regard to living quarters, went in different directions of a daytime to carry out the cheap labour we provided, and I think we ate on a 2-tier basis as long as I was there. Neither did twice-daily Mass seem to bring us all together at any one time, possibly due to the various duties carried out. Knowing hindsight to be a wonderful thing, had I only kept a diary of impressions as they were gleaned, those now-elusive details could have been so helpful to you. It's ironic how 54 years' later, one also tends to blame vagueness upon age - yet at polar opposites. But what is often perceived as reticence on behalf of many to share experiences of the home, could be partially due to their fading recollections of their very young Assisi days, even relatively shortly afterwards, coupled with an overwhelming wish to shut out unpleasant memories of what it held, although they definitely kept us in the dark about any events.

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #87 on: Friday 23 June 17 21:30 BST (UK) »
JohnTOConnor1954 - Can I ask what the house was like when you went? Did you take any photos.? Are the occupiers receptive to people knocking on the door or are there specific procedures you have to follow?
I was born there in 1968 and was fortunate enough not to be put up for adoption. My mum hardly talks about her experience there.

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« Reply #88 on: Friday 23 June 17 21:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Siobhain

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

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Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« Reply #89 on: Friday 23 June 17 22:09 BST (UK) »
I am in the process of trying to find out some more information about the home. I have a friend who lives near by who I have asked to visit the house(s), take pictures and see if she can find out anything 'new'. Its a long shot but hopefully she will find something that will comfort somebody. Fingers crossed! :)