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Re: Name the church
« Reply #9 on: Monday 10 June 13 13:13 BST (UK) »
The following record offices will receive their respective regional indexes on the dates shown below. The first four databases are dated May 2013. The last (Shrewsbury) is dated June 2013. Subsequent donations will be dated August or September 2013.

Matlock (EGI) 30 July
Ilford (GLGI) 2 August
Winchester (SWGI) 6 August
Warwick (WGI) 5 August
Shrewsbury (WGI) 5 August

From then on it will be up to researchers to ask the record offices about availability.

I am currently finding out if my paperwork, which supports the database (234 A4 ring-binders), can be deposited at the National Archives. If so, it will be useful. If not, it will be thrown away.

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 12:31 BST (UK) »

This is the final list of planned deposits after which any record office can apply for a copy of any database on your behalf. There is nothing stopping you from asking to see all the files but only through the record offices where it will be necessary to make the case for seeing them. I am in touch with all record offices by email so it is easy to pass files to them once a decision has been made.

EGI:
Cambridge
Matlock
Huntingdon
Wigston Magna

GLGI:
Bromley
Ilford

NGI:
Beverley
Borthwick
Doncaster
Durham [awaiting confirmation]
Northallerton [awaiting confirmation]
Newcastle [awaiting confirmation]
Woodhorn  [awaiting confirmation]

SEGI:
Bromley
Canterbury
Chichester
Strood

SWGI:
Truro
Sowton
Dorchester
Cowley
Winchester
Norton Firzwarren
Chippenham

WGI:
Chester
Shrewsbury
Stafford
National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth
Warwick

The CD-ROMs containing the regional databases that are not already scheduled to be delivered in late July and early August (see Reply #9) will be posted on 30th August.

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Re: Name the church
« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 June 13 14:25 BST (UK) »
The following Record Offices have been sent their respective regional indexes:

EGI:
Cambridge
Huntingdon
Wigston Magna

GLGI:
Bromley

NGI:
Beverley
Doncaster
Durham
Northallerton

SEGI:
Bromley
Canterbury
Chichester
Strood

SWGI:
Chippenham
Cowley
Dorchester
Norton Fitzwarren
Sowton
Truro

WGI:
Chester
Gloucester
Stafford
National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth

These six, Matlock, Ilford, Maidstone, Winchester, Shrewsbury & Warwick will receive theirs in August as originally planned.

The first 40 pages of each work is Part One (Introduction & Key) and, to save time at the Record Office, you can obtain a free copy if you supply an email address by PM. Part One has been circulated in the past with restrictions but they are now lifted because the work is finished. Anyone can now receive a copy of Part One and they can pass it on.

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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 June 13 12:22 BST (UK) »
The only alterations to the above are that Hampshire will also receive SEGI and that Tyne & Wear have been sent NGI.

Record Offices around the country are acknowledging receipt of their copy of the database. If you can follow this thread you should be able to gain access to all the information you require.

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« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 June 13 14:30 BST (UK) »
Just one or two final adjustments.

Woodhorn (Northumberland) has also been sent a copy of NGI.

York has refused NGI, without seeing it, and Hereford has shown no interest in receiving WGI.

That accounts for all of the Record Offices to which I planned to donate a regional copy of my database.

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Re: Name the church
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 June 13 14:29 BST (UK) »
The following record offices have, so far, acknowledged receipt of their respective databases and my impression is that they are already available for visitors to view:

Aberystwyth - National Library of Wales (WGI)
Bromley, Kent (GLGI, SEGI)
Cambridge (EGI)
Canterbury (SEGI)
Chichester (SEGI)
Chippenham (SWGI)
Gloucester (WGI)
Huntingdon (EGI)
Northallerton (NGI)
Norton Fitzwarren (SWGI)
Oxford (SWGI)
Stafford (WGI)
Truro (SWGI)

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Re: Name the church
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 July 13 17:23 BST (UK) »
The following additional record offices have acknowledged receipt of their copy of the database (I am awaiting replies from five others):

Beverley (NGI)
Doncaster (NGI)
Durham (NGI)
Glamorgan (WGI)
Hawarden (WGI)
Leicester (EGI)
Woodhorn (NGI)

Two further record offices will receive a copy in August:

Bexley Library (GLGI & SEGI)
Reading (SWGI)

Two questions have arisen from record office responses. One asked what happens if one of their customer’s wants a copy of the database. The answer is that explicit consent is required from me. Consent will not be given to requests from individuals although due consideration will be given to those involved in serious academic research. The work itself is not academically oriented. It is easy to understand and designed for quick access to surnames but it is also comprehensive and therefore invites analysis of general principles.

Another record office asked for the freedom to act upon its own initiative. The work is available under new legislation, dated 6 April 2013, which governs the deposit of non-print publications such as CD-ROMs. Record offices will administer it in accordance with database right and copyright rules. Visitors will not be permitted to make a copy from the CD-ROM.

Several months ago the database was freely available to everybody but there was an insufficient number of responses and the work is too important to be in the hands of the few. Record offices have been chosen to administer it because they can provide copyright protection while  enabling visitors to obtain family information. The rules laid down are tough and they will prevent anybody from being victimised by the data.

The CD-ROM should be available on a single computer terminal under supervision. If researchers wish to see other databases, from the collection of six, they can apply through the record office of their choice as described earlier in this thread. They still cannot make a copy of the other databases.

Going to a record office is no big deal. It requires finding its location, proving your identity, and making an appointment (not always necessary). The following website usually has the most up to date information and rapidly connects you to the relevant record office website.

www.ancestor-search.info/

A few weeks ago I discussed the possibility, with Berlin Bob, of adding the database to Rootchat’s website but there were several technical problems.

My database is very large and it would take years to change the format.

It is designed in a particular way so that related information is close by.

It is more complicated than those using the Chapman Codes, it takes into account the 1974 county boundary changes, and shows exactly where the primary sources can now be found.

There has never been anything like it before so researchers are advised to do some planning and study the 40 page Introduction beforehand. Otherwise abbreviations might be a problem.

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Re: Name the church
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 10 July 13 10:41 BST (UK) »
I feel it is important to keep people up to date, assuming that anybody is thinking about making use of my database, so as not to mislead.

A couple of record offices wish me to sign a form handing over certain rights to them. There is also a distinction between 'gift' and 'donation'. If the record office classifies a 'donation' as a 'gift' they can do as they please with it.

I have already laid down the conditions under which the database can be viewed so I will not be signing any waivers. This could mean that some record offices are obliged to return the CD-Rom. Here is the update:

Sowton (SWGI) have received theirs.

Beverley (East Yorks) (NGI) have refused to accept the donation and will be passing it to Tyne & Wear whose copy has got lost in the post.

Strood have also lost their donation because I sent it to the Civic Centre instead of Gun Wharf. I am thinking of sending another copy but it is not yet decided.

It appears that Cornwall may well refuse to accept their donation because of the disagreement over who sets the rules.

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Re: Name the church
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 July 13 11:41 BST (UK) »
In the spirit of keeping people up-to-date (although I have no idea if this is of any interest to anybody) dealing with record offices can be quite difficult.

My CD-ROM deposits have some rules attached to them but a few record offices like to take complete control. If they call the deposit a Gift it means that they are going to do whatever they like with it although record offices usually act in everybody's best interests so it is not a cause for alarm.

Nevertheless the work is definitely called a Deposit, in my donation letter, and this causes some record offices to take a different path which involves negotiating the terms of the deposit. It is the right thing to do, in this case, but the permissions they are asking for are extensive and would, if agreed, constitute a breach of my conditions.

I have a trusting relationship with many other record offices who have simply accepted the donation gracefully.

There will probably be some changes of plan to accommodate my new understandings.

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