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Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« on: Wednesday 08 May 13 13:43 BST (UK) »
I am trying to establish a connection between the Birch family at Birchgrove and Monaincha and the Birch family of Loughans, Co. Down.  Does anyone know if the families were related, and if so, how?

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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 May 13 13:45 BST (UK) »
Perhaps if you give us more details we might be able to help or suggest where you can search next.
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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 May 13 23:02 BST (UK) »
John Birch appears to have been a significant figure in the history of Tullylish Parish in County Down. A portion of the village of Gilford is named Birchgrove after him.  I believe it may be located in the Loughans area.  In the 19th century the parish of Tullylish was home to a huge linen manufacturing center set up along the Bann River. At this point in my research I am not certain if John Birch or any Birch from County Down was directly involved in the regional flax culture. 

Between 1850 and 1851 the gentry of Roscrea, Ireland joined together to form a flax cooperative (Roscrea Flax Society) and establish a scutching mill at the former site of the Birchgrove Distillery just outside of Roscrea.  Two of the founding members of both the Society and the Scutching Mill was George Birch, Esq. and James Birch, Esq. of Birchgrove and Monaincha.

I am trying to establish if a link between the families existed or was it simply coincidental that two wealthy Anglo-Irish families shared the same common surname.  I suspect that if these families were related the southern Birch family may have tapped the northern relatives for recommendations for experts in the linen industry who would be willing to travel to Tipperary and set up the milling operation at the Birchgrove estate.  From my research it seemed that it was very difficult to lure high skilled flax experts from the north of Ireland to the southern counties since flax culture never took root in the same fashion as it did in Ulster.

I hope this may offer clarification on the link that I am trying to establish.



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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 May 13 11:53 BST (UK) »
The landed estates database gives a number of references to the Birch family of Birchgrove that would be useful to follow-up. Quite a lot of family papers in the National Archives Bishop St Dublin . There is also a reference to a family tree that is held by a local historian in Roscrea - possibly of interest.See link

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=3422

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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 June 13 20:53 BST (UK) »
Another source could be a Birch family tree which appears in the Blackwood Family History manuscript trees Collection {mostly County Down} in the LinenHall library, Belfast. My advice is visit yourself if possible, giving them time to have the volume available,  however as is more likely you may live abroad I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing if you are tempted.  “The Library welcomes all research enquiries, whether made in person, by phone, fax, letter or e-mail. Enquiries from members will be answered free of charge. Visitors from afar, and in particular those engaged in serious research projects, are recommended to make prior contact with the Library to ensure that they receive the best possible service. More complex enquiries should be made by letter, fax, or e-mail. Enquiries of this kind from within the British Isles will normally be answered free of charge, apart from any copying and postage charges. A minimum charge of £2 will normally be made in respect of overseas enquiries. A4 photocopies b&w are 20p.  The Library may be able to assist those with more extensive research requirements on terms subject to negotiation with the Librarian. Contact the Library for further information on info@linenhall.com or Telephone 028 9032 1707. Their address is The Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, see their website for contact details or use Email:info "at" linenhall.com.
   
The volume reference is Vol. 47 the item has notes attached or at the end of the volume and something loose tucked into the volume.
   
Hoping this is includes new information for you
good luck, Jim

ps However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds.
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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 June 13 23:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the tip Jim. I may get a chance to look at their website in a few days.

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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 April 19 01:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,

My grandmother is a Birch. Her family used to own Monaincha as well as Birchgrove and the other estates on the land. I can confirm all the Birch's were related. Not just share a common name. Do you happen to have any information about the family? i am interested in finding out more about my family history. there seems to be a lot here. Thank you!

- Tina


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Re: Birch Family at Birchgrove and Monaincha
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 April 19 11:02 BST (UK) »
Marion's maiden name appears to be Roe
birth of a daughter Marion Gertrude 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03605/2329802.pdf

Married Roscrea 1847
George son of George
Marion dtr of William
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFQ-WYJ