Author Topic: Really frustrated - please help - 1841/1851 Census SOLOMON/HOCKEY Mevagissey  (Read 2084 times)

Offline Purdie1972

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I'm trying to locate William SOLOMON married 29/08/1822 to Margaret HOCKEY Mevagissey on the census. I have dates for marriage and baptism of children from Mevagissey Parish Records CD:
Mary Ann 1826
Elizabeth 1829
Melinda 1832
William G 1835
Amelia 1838
John 1841 (I think).

I can't seem to locate any of them on the 1841 census. My ultimate aim is to investigate Margaret. I can't find any births/baptisms of any HOCKEYs so I'm wondering if she was, in fact, HAWKEY, as there are a couple of candidates in the St Columb Major area. I was hoping to find her on the 1851 census to see if that was where she was born, but I can't even find the family on the 1841.
I'm aware of the OPC censuses, which are brilliant, but I'm using GR to do the initial searches to narrow down parishes to look in, as you have to search each parish separately on the OPC - the trouble is, that the results from one don't seem to match the transcriptions on the other :( For example, a Margaret Solomon, born 1796 in Cornwall, located in Truro, St Clement, listed on GR is nowhere to be found on the corresponding transcription on the OPC.

What am I doing wrong? I'm tearing my hair out. Please help.

Purdie

PS I did find one William/Margaret combo at a place called Black Hill, I think, but the children didn't seem to match up (there was a Simon and a Josiah).
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon

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1841 reference is as follows

HO107 Piece 146 Book 5 Folio 19 Page 5 - they were in St Austell

use the following as your search criteria

Amelia Soloman (note spelling) b 1838
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Thanks, Carole, that's brilliant - schoolgirl error on my part. Should've thought about variant spellings!
Purdie
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon

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Have you had any luck with 1851?

Unfortunately, the children Mary Ann, Amelia and John are in a household together w/o parents, which suggests the parents were deceased.

There is an 1848 death in St Austell reg dist of a William SOLOMAN.

There is a John SOLOMON birth reg in St Austell in 1841; if that was the son, it would give Margaret's surname, one spelling or another. ;)

Oh, what may be interesting in 1851 -- the children are right next to a William HOCKING born c1825 in Mevagissey. A relation of Margaret's?

Just in case:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSM7-DXG

William Hocking christened 1824, Mevagissey, parents Richard and Elizabeth.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?


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There doesn't seem to be a death for Margaret 1841-51.
There are two strays to consider in 1851.
Both appear to be visiting, and the place of birth is a ditto for both of them so not necessarily reliable.

Margaret Solomon 1801 East Looe, a visitor in a Debell household in East Looe.

Margretta Soloman, 1798 St Columb, aunt in a Cumins household in St Teath.

Cumins is actually Common/Commins:
- Son George Reuben Commins born 1845 Camelford reg dist
- John Common married Louisa HAWKEY (father John) 1844 St Columb Major:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=819224

So the Hawkey theory seems good. ;)

Louisa Hawkey christened 1823 St Columb Major, parents John and Mary:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3006497

HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Thanks, Janey. I hadn't had any luck with 1851 - do you remember in which parish the children were living? I'd like to have a look. The strays are interesting - I suppose it could mean that she just happened to be away on the night of the census, rather than not living with them/being dead.
The Hocking angle in Mevagissey is interesting - there are lots of baptisms registered there from the 1820s onwards - the more I think of it, the more I think that Hockey has just been mistranscribed from Hocking. I'd like to get a look at the original!
I agree re William Solomon's birth certificate - I tried looking for Amelia's but came up blank - I'd rather have gone for that one because the name is less common and has more chance of being the right one!
I'll certainly chase up the Hawkey idea.

Thanks so much for your help!

Purdie  :)
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon

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Sorry I left that bit out -- Mary Ann, Amelia and John "Soloman" at Anc'y were in St Austell.

They had a 37-yr-old male lodger, which does sound more like something a widowed older woman would do, so I thought the same thing: just away visiting on census night (blast their eyes when they do that!).

Of course, being a Canadian and all, I am required to like the idea of people being named Hockey. ;)

There seems to be good reason to plump for both Hocking and Hawkey -- maybe it was unsettled still and different branches were going different ways?
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Thanks for that. I'll look them up.
I actually have a distant memory of a cyber-conversation with someone through GR who was descended from Melinda, who had married and emigrated to Australia/New Zealand/Canada/America (can't remember where  ???). I wonder if mother went with? I don't know how likely that would have been. She might have done, I suppose, if her husband had died...and she wasn't too attached to her other children...?
I'd gathered you were Canadian - my husband's family live in Toronto and I was sent a T-shirt with 'Canuck' emblazoned across the front  :D
Purdie
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon