ORR & YOUNG

[Sea Jade]

Hi,
I am a NZ descendant of James Young who migrated to New Zealand in 1859.
His parents were Thetford Young (d 1856) and Rose Hare (b 1805 d 1885).
He had 4 daughters and 3 sons who lived to adult age. One of his sons, James Thetford Young (b 1890 d 1960) was my paternal grandfather.
James' brother, William John Young (b 1834 d 1905) also migrated to New Zealand a bit later.
Interestingly, one of William's sons , Robert Young, visited his Dundonald relatives while on leave during WW1. There he met and later married his 2nd cousin, Agnes "Queenie" Orr , a daughter of Robert Orr and Elizabeth Young. I have met their grand daughter, Robyn, who lives in Brisbane.
Robyn has done a lot of research into the  Young and Orr geneology. She even showed my a copy of the Last Will of Thetford Young.
 

[maggiemay13]

Delighted to hear from you and to find out more about the family.  It would be great to have contact with Robyn too to know more about her research.
I am still in Belfast NI and I have visited the Young grave in Dundonald.
Whereabouts in NZ are you.  I did come across a death for a Thetford Young in NZ maybe a couple of years ago.  Would that be your family?  Love to know more.
Best wishes.
MM

[Sea Jade]

Hi Maggiemay,
Yes my father, James Thetford Young (b 1926) passed away 13 September 2012.
I, too, have visited the Young grave at St Elizabeth's . The first time was in 1979 and I met the Rector of the Church (Rev Frizzell) who was kind enough to show me the baptism record of my ancestor, James Young.
More about my family later but I will send an email to Robyn and draw her attention to this thread so that she might add to it.
I look forward to hearing more about my Ulster relatives.

[maggiemay13]

 Thank you. I will pick this up again later in the week.
Best wishes
MM

[maggiemay13]

 Hi
I have had another look at my records and think Agnes more likely to be a granddaughter of Robert Orr and Eliza Young as i have previously accounted for all of their children.  I could be wrong as family did get mixed up across the generations but her's my theory.  William John Young your Great Uncle would be a first cousin of my husband's grandfather Thetford aka Tedford Orr.  Thetford's brother James had a daughter called Agnes Victoria Orr (which could account for the Queenie) See 1911 census details below.  This would make her a second cousin of William's son, Robert Young and of marrying age during WW1.  The family did stay close with their grandmother as seen in burial records for sister Maisie.  Agnes would be the oldest and could have lived with her Grandmother. Do you think this Agnes is Robyn's grandmother?  That would mean she shares her great grandmother with us and we must both share GGGrandparents with you in Thetford Young and Rose Hare (never knew her maiden name before).
Look forward to more family news.
Regards
MM

James Orr (c1872-aft.1911) m.(c1896) Mary Jane Campbell? (c1878-aft.1926)
Belfast City Cemetery- Maisie Orr (3 5/12) died 21 Aug.1915- address 1 Welland St.. Mary Jane Orr (82) died 20 July 1957- address 35 Upper Newtownards Road.
1. Agnes Victoria (July/Sept.1897 Belfast-aft.1911)
     ?  Death: Agnes Orr (20) Jan./Mar.1917 Belfast 1/357
2. William (c1899-aft.1911)
3. Sarah (c1902-aft.1911)
4. Margaret (c1904-aft.1911)
5. Arthur Thomas (Oct./Dec.1905 Lisnaskea district, Fermanagh)
    31 July 1926 “Regina” arr. Quebec from Belfast: Arthur Orr, 21, Co. Fermanagh, techinical engineering, uncle Neil McClelland Amherstburg Windsor Ontario, mother Mary Jane Orr 45 Upper Newtownards Rd Belfast.
6. Lizzie (c1908-aft.1911)
7. Maisie (1912-1915)

[aghadowey]

James Orr (c1872-aft.1911) m.(c1896) Mary Jane Campbell? (c1878-aft.1926)
Belfast City Cemetery- Maisie Orr (3 5/12) died 21 Aug.1915- address 1 Welland St.. Mary Jane Orr (82) died 20 July 1957- address 35 Upper Newtownards Road.
1. Agnes Victoria (July/Sept.1897 Belfast-aft.1911)
     ?  Death: Agnes Orr (20) Jan./Mar.1917 Belfast 1/357
2. William (c1899-aft.1911)
3. Sarah (c1902-aft.1911)
4. Margaret (c1904-aft.1911)
5. Arthur Thomas (Oct./Dec.1905 Lisnaskea district, Fermanagh)
    31 July 1926 “Regina” arr. Quebec from Belfast: Arthur Orr, 21, Co. Fermanagh, techinical engineering, uncle Neil McClelland Amherstburg Windsor Ontario, mother Mary Jane Orr 45 Upper Newtownards Rd Belfast.
6. Lizzie (c1908-aft.1911)
7. Maisie (1912-1915)

The above details copied from my post (reply #30). I've also posted lots of other information on here.

[Sea Jade]

Hi maggiemay & aghadowey,
Today I sent an email to Janice, another 'Young' relative. I only met Janice about 2 years ago because she saw my father's death notice in the newspaper.
I think her grandfather was William John Young (b 1834 d 1905) and she too has done some research on the Youngs.  She has a copy of a wedding photo of Robert Young & Agnes Victoria Orr. 

[maggiemay13]

Hello Sea Jade and Aghadowey,
first of all apologies for not giving credit to Aghadowey for the details I copied to you in last post.  It is thanks to A's help during my previous visits to the site that I have discovered details of the Orr Young family.
It is great to be hearing more and knowing there are living relatives somewhere.  It would be wonderful to see the wedding photo, have dates etc.  Agnes would be my father in law's (William Orr, 1917-1980) 1st cousin. 
MM

[Sea Jade]

Maggiemay, sorry I haven't been able to contact Robyn yet. I have her phone number but I can't find her email address. I've tried to phone her but no luck so far.
I wanted Robyn to tell the story about her grandparents because it is quite a sad tale. Queenie died of Tuberculosis (in Australia?) when her 3 kids were young. Then Robert died not much later and the kids were brought up as orphans and had a tough time of it. I met Maureen (the youngest and Robyn's Mum) a couple of times but she passed away about  5-6 years ago.
 BTW Janice has responded to my email and she has looked at this thread with much interest.