ORR & YOUNG

[maggiemay13]

Wow! It's amazing and I can't drag myself away.  How do you find this stuff?
Children you have given me Mary Jane and James.  I also have one unknown child and Sarah 1886-1818 and Arthur1884-?
The Thetford Young bit is fascinating but I'm still a bit mixed up with it all.  Where does Roseanna Orr fit in?
I still think Samuel's birth entry show's Robert born in Ballyhackamore but now I have birth dates I could perhaps make a visit to PRONI to get verification.
Margaret Masson is a great help as some time ago I found an Arthur Orr going to US and stayed with a Margaret Masson.  It was East coast but will have to trawl back through my notebooks for detail now that I know it is a match.

[maggiemay13]

Sadly we have lots about Sydney's sad case although no contact with his family for decades.
His story is one reason to trace the roots once and for all.
MM

[aghadowey]

I still think Samuel's birth entry show's Robert born in Ballyhackamore but now I have birth dates I could perhaps make a visit to PRONI to get verification.
Irish birth certificates DO NOT list father's birthplace. The LDS format is deceptive. When a child was born at home the date and place of birth are listed on the certificate. If the birth takes place at a different address from the parents' residence (hospital, grandmother's house, etc.) the date and place of birth are still recorded but the parents' residence is listed along with father's name and occupation. For some reason the LDS database includes this detail as if it was the father's birthplace.

Will sort out a bit more and post again shortly.

[aghadowey]

From the details we've found so far here's a rough family tree-

Thetford Young (c1808-23 Aug.1856), carpenter, married Rose (c1803-19 June 1885).
1. Robert Young (c1824-30 Dec.1866).
2. Eliza Young (c1849-after 1911) married Robert Orr.
?3. James Young (d.1926 N.Z.)- ?son James Thetford Young (born 1890)
4. Samuel Young (c1827), blacksmith.
5. Jane Young (c1838) m.(1860) James Cairns
6. Margaret Young (c1829) m.(1852) Robert McNall
?7. Tedford Young (c1850) m. Mary- family
& 4 children died young.

Eliza Young (c1849-after 1911) married (1866) Robert Orr
1. Robert (1867)
2. William John (1869)
3. James (1872)
4. Mary Jane (1874)
5. Samuel (1876)
6. Margaret "Maggie" (1879-1971 U.S.) m. ___ Masson.
7. Thetford (1882)
8. Arthur (c1885)- to U.S.
9. Sarah (c1887)

Thought there was a Roseanne Orr in the family but must have ruled her out earlier- sorry for the confusion.

[aghadowey]

1901 directory- 1. Orr, Mrs.    3. Orr, Robt., blacksmith
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1901.htm

1907 directory- Mrs. Elizabeth Orr 1,3 Welland st.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1907.htm

[aghadowey]

Belfast Newsletter, 20 June 1885: Death- YOUNG- June 19, at her residence, Church Quarter, Dundonald, Rose, relict of the late Tedford Young. Her remains will be removed for interment in Dundonald Burying-ground to-morrow (Sunday) afternoon, at four o'clock. Friends will please accept this intimation. Samuel Young.

Samuel Young was likely a son of Tedford & Rose and he he is in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Dundonald/Church_Quarter/1223067

Note: more children of Tedford and Rose Young added (in blue) to earlier post. See again for details of Jane & Margaret- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Young.htm

[elizabetherin]

Hi Maggiemay13,

I am a Tedford and my family hails from Belfast, same area as yours.  I haven't had any luck so far figuring out the Tedford branch of Northern Ireland I am related to.  We have been researching for a very long time.   There must be a relationship between these families for sure.

Coincidentally, the only daughter and youngest in my James Tedford family was named Maggie May Elizabeth.

Best of luck in your research!  Are you in Canada or the US/

Elizabetherin

[aghadowey]

Marriage of Jane Young & James Cairns (1860)- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFK-6HY
Son James Cairns born (1865) Scotland- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQTB-SZB

Marriage of Margaret Young & Robert McNall (1852)- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGF8-JSC

"The Will of Robert M'Nall late of Church Quarter Dundonald County Down Labourer who died 29 May 1895 at same place was proved at Belfast by David Kane and Samuel M'Cullough both of Church Quarter Dundonald Shoemakers the Executors." Will mentions son Robert, daughter Rachel and wife Margaret.
"Administration (with the Will) of the estate of Margaret M'Nall late of Churchquarter Dundonald County Down Widow who died 22 November 1903 granted at Belfast to Rachel M'Nall Spinster" Will dated 19 Mar.1901 says "as I am about to visit America" and mentions a daughter, Rachel.
See www.proni.gov.uk (Will Extracts)

Rachel McNall born c1856-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Dundonald/Dundonald_Town/1223103
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Dundonald/Dundonald_Town/232247

[aghadowey]

Another child of Tedford & Rose Young?

Tedford Young (c1850-after 1911), blacksmith, m.(1873) Mary Shaw (c1856-after 1911)
1911 census- 10 children/6 living.
1. Mary Eliza (1873- father transcribed as Ledford: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5N3-4Q1
2. William John (c1879)
3. Jemima (c1883-after 1911)
4. Samuel (c1887)
5. Edgar (c1892-after 1911)
6. Annie "Daisy" (c1895-after 1911)
7. Tedford (c1898-aft.1911)

Marriage (1873)- brides Mary Shaw & Mary Davison on same page but daughter Mary Eliza's birth gives mother as Shaw:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY31-S2L

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Upper_Newtownards_Road/1221344
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Newtownards_Road_Upper/229012