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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 28 September 15 22:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Sage,

Thanks very kindly for the encouraging reply. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Even if it's not pledges I receive but simply to know who else might have an interest in the project then that would be helpful. There must be hundreds of people if not thousands with a vested interest in it… but you're spot on in that it is really a matter of values here… and education. I also feel that it is somewhat like the analogy of the building with the broken window. If it doesn't get repaired then more windows will be broken, and soon graffiti appears, and bricks chipped away, etc. If the council keeps the cemetery in this condition then it will never be treated with more respect.

I'll keep you updated! I work in Edinburgh Monday through Friday so time is limited but I'm determined to do something!

Jeff

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 September 15 19:36 BST (UK) »
Jeff, whatever you can do, will be a positive step  :)

Have you researched for local groups with a similar interest in maintaining and repairing the cemetery on a voluntary basis? A 2013 story here for example, from the Daily Record. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/clean-up-operation-motherwells-globe-2536505

This blog entry (June 2015) made me laugh (I understand what she means, in general, sad isn't it!):

The Globe Cemetery
My very favourite thing about living here is ‘my’ graveyard! My husband showed it to me the first Summer after we moved here and I fell in love. The Globe Cemetary is an abandoned graveyard which sits right in the middle of the  woods opposite our house. It has stones dating back to the 1700’s and some of the plots have several generations of the same family. It is creepy, but cool and we all know how I love creepy things. I walk down there a lot and it is my favourite spot to take potographs. When Summer decides to stay for more than 10 minutes I am going to go down and use my spirit box

www.alifelivedinwords.com/tag/motherwell/

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 00:17 BST (UK) »
Monica,

You shouldn't believe everything you read! First of all, the Globe cemetery was opened in 1876, so there are no stones dating back to the 1700s. Secondly, it isn't abandoned, North Lanarkshire council do try to keep it tidy. Thirdly, it is situated on the banks of the river Calder, not in the middle of a wood.

It is, as we already know, in a dreadful state but nothing anyone does now will ever replace headstones that have weathered beyond recognition or have been broken, vandalised or stolen.
It is impossible to police the area as it is too isolated and difficult to drive into.
It is easy for vandals, drug addicts and destructive delinquents to gain access on foot at any time.

I have about a dozen ancestors buried there and it is so sad that the cemetery is in its present condition but, realistically, it would be throwing money away to try and upgrade it.
What, for example, could be done? Any new trees that were planted would immediately be vandalised. Any new stones erected would be pushed over or broken.

A regiment of soldiers would be required to guard the place. The blame can be laid at the feet of the members of Dalziel Parish Council who after only 30 years, decided that the Globe was too small and too out of the way to serve the parish. A new cemetery was opened at Airbles and the Globe was left to its own devices. Very few new lairs were opened and it was only used after that time by those parishioners who already had family plots there.

The phrase "Flogging a Dead Horse" comes to mind.
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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 00:38 BST (UK) »
You shouldn't believe everything you read! First of all, the Globe cemetery was opened in 1876, so there are no stones dating back to the 1700s.

Lodger,

I think what was said "It has stones dating back to the 1700’s" was probably referring to people buried there who were born in the 1700's & possibly used the wrong wording?

Annie

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 09:37 BST (UK) »

Monica...You shouldn't believe everything you read!


I seldom do  ;) The point I was trying to make was that anyone considering this type of action should also look around at what other voluntary initiatives have been tried previously.

I know you know the history of this cemetery and others too, Lodger. Exceptionall well  :)

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 10:07 BST (UK) »
Lodger speaks the awful truth...it's a hard truth to swallow but sadly, there is little anyone can do to resurrect the damage already done.  It's why we all feel so hopeless against such odds.  However, it's really heartening to know that people care and would rally for the cause if the odds were in their favour. Sadly, in this case there's no point throwing good money after bad!

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 01 October 15 10:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie, you said -
"I think what was said "It has stones dating back to the 1700’s" was probably referring to people buried there who were born in the 1700's & possibly used the wrong wording?"

Here's what the lady said in her other blog about ghosts in Motherwell -

Hidden deep in the woods is an abandoned cemetery which I adore visiting. some of the graves go back to as far as 1715. Unfortunately there is a great deal of vandalism, but it still has amazing atmosphere.

The lady has a vivid imagination!
It's many years since I was last there but "deep in the woods"?
I'm going to make a visit there today and take my camera, it's a lovely brisk, cloudless autumn day, perhaps I'll meet the ghosts of some of the Lodger clan!
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #16 on: Friday 02 October 15 12:42 BST (UK) »
Well folks, I paid a long visit to the Globe yesterday, the weather was excellent and I took LOTS of pictures.
To be honest, it was about 40 years since I was last there (and I'm only in my late twenties!) and since that time the trees have really grown, so it does look a bit like it's in the middle of the woods.
Almost 99% of the stones I saw had either a date prior to mid 1905 (when Airbles cemetery opened) or had a reference to an earlier burial (children who died in infancy). So, as soon as Airbles opened, burials at the Globe began to drop away unless there was family already buried there. Which means it's really a very small window in the history of the parish of Dalziel, from 1876 until probably the late 1950s or early 1960s.

There are 3 family plots from my grandmother's side of the family there, I remembered where 2 of them were situated but never knew where the other one was. Out of the 2 that I knew, one stone had either disappeared or was lying on its face and the other was broken in two and lying on its back.
I will try to edit the pictures as soon as possible and then post a list of what I have.
In the meantime, anyone who thinks there may be a family plot there can contact me.
It seems to me that there will be a lot of incomers to Motherwell buried here.  It was opened because of the growing population due to the new Iron & Steel works and the railways, coal mines etc. Many of these people came up from England & Wales. The locals were still using their old family plots in the 2 parochial burial grounds (one at Dalziel Old Manse and the other at Windmillhill).
Some stones at the Globe have reference to children who were interred in these churchyards earlier.

Some stones have survived really well while others, like the huge memorial to the Colville family, have been obliterated.
I'll add a couple of pictures here to give an idea.
One thing I should mention, it is NOT a good idea to visit this place alone. I parked at the top end of Braidhurst Street and it took me a good 10 minutes walk, down a very isolated path to reach the cemetery. The path continues up into Kirklee, a part of New Stevenson and, as I was walking down, (just before midday), 2 delightful specimens of young womanhood came from the Kirklee direction, one of them was carrying a half-full bottle of Buckfast wine and they were both in a very jolly condition. Pictured below, the one in the pink top was carrying the bottle.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Globe Cemetery, Motherwell.
« Reply #17 on: Friday 02 October 15 13:52 BST (UK) »
Sign of the times I'm afraid Lodger

I remember the days when they would have offered to share the Bucky with you

Sad times  :(