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Offline Warin

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Re: Assistance/advice with research
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 02 May 13 23:54 BST (UK) »
Well that proves my point then lol

That is classic though...damn! Seriously though I would have though death certificates would have to have a fair bit of accuracy :(

My mothers has the wrong marriage date (years) and the wrong husbands name ...
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Re: Assistance/advice with research
« Reply #37 on: Friday 03 May 13 01:20 BST (UK) »
NSW BDM issued death certs (or official transcriptions)  have sections where the information MUST be accurately recorded ..... Cause of death, duration of illness, how the body is disposed of, where and when ....  As a direct consequence, you can confirm the cemetery or crematorium, sometimes the denomination, and also look for possible inherited diseases etc. 

The information that is often considered "questionable" is that part of the dc that names the informant's family history.   It can be flawed, but the person providing the information is required to sign a statement showing they believe it to be true.   As that informant is often a family member, it is information given at a time of grief, and is usually given to the funeral director at the same time as the arrangements for the funeral are being made.  Thus the family member providing it is often more concerned with those arrangements, than with the questions about the deceased's family history.   

From my point of view, it can be worthwhile working towards obtaining the dc, if only to see who was named as the parents, or the spouse/s or children by the informant.  And from that to start to consider how well the informant knew any of the family.      For example,  (names changed to protect the innocent !)  Freddy BONKERS died in NSW in 1938.  His dc shows he was married twice and that the informant (Johnny, ie Freddy's stepson from the second marriage) did NOT know the name of the first wife, nor if any children from that first marriage.   

In fact Freddy BONKERS had been married THREE times in NSW.   First marriage produced at least 4 children, and the wife No 1 died in childbirth.   Second marriage was to next door neighbour, a widow with 3 of her own.   The second marriage for Freddy BONKERS produced 2 more children, and wife No 2 quit leaving Freddy with those 2.  Freddy obtained a NSW divorce, citing a co-respondent.   Freddy moved several streets away, and then married a divorcee.  Mrs Bonkers # 3 died several months earlier than Freddy.  Her son (Johnny, the informant on Freddy's dc) seems to have got all of HER details down fairly accurately on her dc.  But not Freddy's ....   

But the headstone on Freddy's grave does note ALL his own children from each marriage.... They are just NOT noted on Freddy's NSW BDM dc. 

So, there are advantages to seeking out dcs where the civil BDM regulations extend to providing certified information that goes further than just the registration of a death...

So, the amount of information on the dc depends on the regulations applicable for the state/territory where the death occurred.   So for example, England & Wales certs have very little info, but Scottish certs are detailed.   South Australia's certs have very little information but Victoria, NSW, Qld, WA are detailed.   As an aside, Victoria's certificates are perhaps the most detailed in the whole world.   

Cheers,  JM   
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Re: Assistance/advice with research
« Reply #38 on: Friday 03 May 13 02:03 BST (UK) »
Where is the best place to search electoral rolls? I have yet to do anything like that, but sounds like it might be a way to get a fair bit of information.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/find/guides/wa_history/electoral_rolls

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369921.0.html  Many good links at that Resources thread.... including :

WA State Library
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/find/guides/family_history/australia/western_australia

Danielle have you tried the Western Australia State Library to see if they have a death notice for the parents?

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/

I have never contacted them before so i dont know what they are like to work with but could be worth a try maybe.

thanks I have used different state libraries for other families didn't even click will try searching there, anything is better then nothing.

Long before the Internet provided armchair access for family history seekers to find some images online, the Public Libraries were famous as places for the general public to actually go to, and to personally seek out and to try to find out any piece of significant information at all, including family history back in the era when it was NOT among the top ten hobbies.

Adding :  I am sorry to read that you have not found Trove to be of much help... I can see that the WA fees for "Death certificate (including a search over any period not exceeding ten years) - $44"
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/D/death_fees.aspx  So if you put $1 aside each week for the next 44 weeks .....  :) 


I want to eventually purchase the death certificates but they do get rather pricey and from what I was told it may not have all the names on there anyway because it is only what information is given and is often accurate. I have looked a little into TROVE but I haven't found it of much help with the Kirby side of the family, ideally if my grandparents didn't die when I was young I would of been able to pick their brains.
I have found them on BDM but it doesn't show parent's names on the website :( and for the one that I was trying to rule out the father's name is the same (but a common name) but not the mother's but have also been told this could also be down to error as well as to who gives the information.

Thanks for the assistance!
       

Cheers,  JM
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