Winterborne Stoke House

[[Ray]]

Hi

Toomer Lane is very close to New Street according to 1851

New Street is still there, extension of Church Street.
Upper House, Church Street (currently for sale) built C1850 former rectory ......................... (KG's link?)

All "new" housing at New Street and of Church Street.
However some other buildings around Church Street/New Street worth checking out

ANYONE LIVE CLOSE? 
 
Ray

[Roy G]

Hi Ray.  Thanks for being so busy on my behalf and for your personal message

I can see you are a little concerned where I got the house name Toomer from.  To clear that up, an excerpt from George Grant's will penned in Winterbourne Stoke in 1838 and proved after he died in 1840, reads as follows.
....... First, I will that debts and burial expenses be paid and justified.  I give, devise and bequeath to my son John Grant the sum of one hundred and fifty pounds and the cottage house and garden called Toomers, now in his occupation, but my will is that my grandson Jacob Grant is to have in his possession that part which he now occupies during their lives and hold it by without any interruption from his father. 
(nb George Grant also owned Cables which he willed to his son James Grant)

It is my belief that Toomers became STRADDLES, but I am seeking verification.

Other info:     Apart from Toomer's Lane in WBS, George Grant and his good friend Charles Toomer were both local Baptists out of Chitterne, and on record as attending several Baptist Meeting Houses in the locality.

Re the 1841 flooding of the River Till and 16 houses destroyed (I have it as a Salisbury Plain rapid thaw and ice melt) and I know that Jacob in the family was commended for his bravery.  But I had no idea that 5 or so houses were demolished in c1850, to make way for a new vicarage.  I'll try to get someone to follow that up for me.   

Regards Roy G

[[Ray]]

Hi

1861 Jacob Grant living in Scotland Farm.
Scotland Lodge Farm still there opposite side of A303 to Berwick Lane.

"Scottish" links?

1851 Jacob Grant (unmarried 60)  listed as "Chelsea Pensioner Farmer"

Ray

[Roy G]

Yes Jacob did have Scottish links but not as the name 'Grant' would suggest. (My Grants had Wiltshire links for centuries)
 
Jacob Grant (son of George) born Chitterne 1787 joined the Royal Scotts Greys in 1804 and was pensioned off in 1821.  He eventually made an honest woman out of his housekeeper Ann Lodge, the mother of his children, just before he died in 1853
 Roy G

[Tom S]

Hi I've recently discovered that I'm descended from Jacob Grant (1787-1853) through one if his illegitimate daughters with Ann Lodge. Is there any more info anyone could tell me about him? This thread came up when I searched his name

[Roy G]

Yes. Jacob Grant, born Chitterne 1787, living in WBS, who EVENTUALLY married the mother of his 6 children Ann Lodge, is one of mine.  I will send you a personal message for there is a lot to tell.
Roy G

[brionne]

 My Louisa Dyer bap 2nd May 1854,married Frank Grant 1874 W/Stoke.he was I believe a carrier and farmer.
1901 he is age 50,living at Church St,whilst wife Louisa is the grocer with 2 eldest children,listed separately.
Do you have any info on this line,        Thanks Brionne.

[Roy G]

3.Frank       b 22 Feb 1852 WBS      d 1911
m Louisa Dyer    Sept ¼ 1874
4.Ernest       b 1875 WBS
4.Alfred      b 1876 WBS
4.George            b 1878 WBS
4.Edward W    b 1800 WBS
4.Kathleen           b 1884 WBS

INFO   Frank b.1852
1881 census lists Frank 29yr, head, carrier married to Louisa 27yr b. 1854, WBS with children: *Ernest F.6yr b.1875, **Alfred 5yr b.1876, George 3yr b. 1878 and Edward W 9mths b. 1890/1 all at WBS.
1891 census lists Frank 39yr a farmer/carrier, Louisa 37yr, ***George 12yr, Edward 10yr,  + Kathleen 7yr b.1884.  Living with them is Ann (mother) 73yr
1901 census sees the family split
Frank 50yr, head, farmer
Louisa 48yr, head, grocer (own account), Edward 20yr a baker, Kathleen 17yr a shop assistant. Living with them is a Harold A.Dyer (cousin) 14yr a horse boy on farm and Beatrice A Waters visitor 15yr.
Frank died 1911
* Ernest
1891 census lists Ernest 16yr, as an apprentice (milliner?) living at South St, Wincanton.
1901 census lists him as a drapers assistant boarding at Market Place, Newbury, Berks age 26yr.

**Alfred
1891 census has Alfred 14yr, as a cabinet maker, boarding in the house of Henry & Eliza Burch, 11 Wilton Rd.
1901 census,  21yr, a cabinet maker, single, boarding in the house of George & Jasmah Dench.

***George
1901 census lists a George Grant 22yr (d.o.b.given as 1879), married (no mention of a wife) as head of household, a grocer, living at 17 Hill rd, Nth Wimbledon + a housekeeper and 4 grocers assistants.

Roy G

[brionne]

Thanks for that Roy ,,,,,Did Louisa Grant nee Dyer die age 87 in Salisbury 1941,its the only one that is a possible.There are so very many Dyer family members that originate from Winterbourne Stoke,so had left this one alone thanks again Brionne.