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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 April 13 13:17 BST (UK) »
You may have already looked into this one.

Name: Thomas Hughes
Registration #: 12129/1958
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Registration district: Ryde, NSW
Burgoyne - Brackley, Northampton, UK.
Hayne - Northampton, UK.
Ward - Brisbane & Rockhampton, Australia.
Whelan/Whalen - Sleaty, Ireland.
Bergin - Birr, Ireland (Parsonstown).
Warr - Turweston, Buckinghamshire, UK.
Paul - Malstatt, Saarbrucken, Germany.
Schauff - Stommeln, Pulheim, Germany.

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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 April 13 13:26 BST (UK) »
Hi

Do you know Thomas Snrs parents christian Names?

Cass

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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 April 13 13:38 BST (UK) »
I also found this article on a Thomas Hughes who was a sailor.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102676978?searchTerm=%22Thomas%20Hughes%22&searchLimits=l-decade=193


P.S_ scrap this one, his parents are William & Bedelia :(
Burgoyne - Brackley, Northampton, UK.
Hayne - Northampton, UK.
Ward - Brisbane & Rockhampton, Australia.
Whelan/Whalen - Sleaty, Ireland.
Bergin - Birr, Ireland (Parsonstown).
Warr - Turweston, Buckinghamshire, UK.
Paul - Malstatt, Saarbrucken, Germany.
Schauff - Stommeln, Pulheim, Germany.

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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 April 13 14:16 BST (UK) »
May be his family if his age was accurate on the 1911 census ie born c1889

1891 Census  RG12/315/84/31
Living at 12d Queens Street, Stratford, West Ham

HUGHES Charles  Head 51 years   Railway engine driver  Born Warwickshire, Brinklow
HUGHES Elizabeth Wife  41 years  Born Scotland Glasgow
HUGHES Frank Son  19 years  Engine ?? apprentice  Born Scotland Glasgow
HUGHES Alexander  Son 17 years  Engine ?? apprentice  Born Essex West Ham
HUGHES Charles H  Son  14 years  Coach Maker's apprentice  Born Essex West Ham
HUGHES Janet Dau 12 years  Scholar  Born Essex West Ham
HUGHES Jane E  Dau 7 years Scholar  Born Essex West Ham
HUGHES Thomas Son  2              Born Essex West Ham
HUGHES Unnamed   Under 1 month  Born Essex West Ham
EDWARDS Helen Servant 44 years Married   Midwife  Born London Islington

Another possibility

National Probate Calendar -Index of Wills and Administrations
HUGHES Charles of Shilton Warwickshire retired engine driver died 4 April 1916 Probate Birmingham 6 Jun to Elizabeth HUGHES widow  Effects £284.5.5.

Elizabeth's maiden name is possibly KIRKLAND as her sister is living with she and Charles on the 1881 census.

All very speculative research.

Cando  :)

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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 27 April 13 07:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all for your helpful information.  To assemble various pieces in the puzzle, I can confirm that Mrs Mary Elizabeth Hughes and six children left Silvertown UK on SS Beltana (as noted by Essie and cando) and arrived in Port Adelaide in May 1927, just 6 months before the courtcase noted by cando. One of the six (Thomas James Hughes 12 y-o) was my father.  The family including TH (my GF) lived in Coburg Road Alberton, initially.  Later, Mary and children resided in Quebec St and Dale St, Port Adelaide at various times thereafter.  The last record I can find of TH is in the 1931 issue of the SA Directory published by Sands and McDougall.  Presumably he left the family in about 1930 and moved out of SA (hence no death record or inquest despite oral family history of his supposed death by accident on the wharf).  TJH (my father) worked in Port Adelaide as a cycle mechanic and enlisted in the Royal Australian Navy 2-9-1939.  He was discharged due to ill-health soon after, then served in the RAN Reserve.  He died on 11-1-1957 and was buried in the Cheltenham Cemetery (as noted by CassT).  His mother died 6-11-1947 (noted by Sashar) and is also buried there (again as noted by CassT), along with daughter Dorothy Rose and son-in-law Lionel Kerr.  Her son-in-law Harry Butler (wife Kathleen) and grandson John are in the adjoining grave.  The parents of TH (GF) were Thomas Hughes (born 19-2-1871 in Bootle cum Linacre) and Elizabeth Ann White (born 8-3-1872 in Canning Town), married 23-11-1890, St Like's Church, Victoria Docks.  TH and ME Thomas married 2-9-1910 in the Registry Office, West Ham, as noted by cando.  As a matter of interest, my GF is not the Thomas Hughes, coxswain Harbors Board launch, mentioned in the newspaper Advertiser 31-10-1927.  This TH resided in Hargrave St, Birkenhead, a nearby suburb adjoining the Port River.

I thought for a time that the family mentioned by cando (Charles Hughes and Elizabeth Kirkland) were my relatives but after more searching I abandoned this idea.  Nevertheless, this couple have an interesting family history - Charles was an engine driver and he may have met his future wife through her father who also worked on the railways.  This family lived in Cowlairs Road, Springburn, Scotland near a major train station and works depot.

Back to the drawing board - when and how did TH (GF) arrive in SA from UK, and when and where did he die?  lilpurplepearl may have the clue.

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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 28 April 13 03:05 BST (UK) »
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He was born 21 January 1891 in West Ham, UK, married Mary Elizabeth White on 2 September 1910,

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TH and ME Thomas married 2-9-1910 in the Registry Office, West Ham, as noted by cando.

No wonder I couldn't find the marriage Bob ;)

I assume that is your tree on ancestry?

All that aside have you considered he may have arrived in Australia as ship's crew and c1930 returned to the sea and the UK? 

Cando :)
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Re: Information sought on Thomas HUGHES, grandfather of Robert
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 28 April 13 05:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks again, Cando.

My tree is on ancestry (Hughes family tree 28-1-12).  I agree that it is a possibility that TH arrived in Australia as ship's crew sometime before wife Mary and children followed him in 1927, and left the same way, either back to the UK or elsewhere.  I am hoping that a visit to the SA Maritime Museum in Port Adelaide may help me.  He is reported (Advertiser 9-11-1927 in Trove) as saying "He was working at sea for about three years, living away from home".  The period he was referring to is unclear to me as the SA Directory published by Sands and McDougall lists him as residing in Coburg Road, Alberton, South Australia from about 1927-1931 while working as a wharf labourer in Port Adelaide.  Electoral records in the SA State Library may help me confirm the actual time period.

He served in the merchant navy until about 1920 if I have interpreted correctly details on his CR10 card (ID 463797) and BT350_121037 form.  This fits with the birth dates of his two younger children (John Willian Ernest born 1924, and Vera May born 1923).  The next youngest was Kathleen Florence born in 1916.  Or, his three year period away from home was after his discharge in 1920.  I speculate from this possibility that the court report of him calling the younger children bad names may refer to his belief that they were not his children.

I have begun searching for death and other records of him in Australia but no luck so far.

Any other suggestions or advice would be most welcome.

Bob