Halpins of Wicklow, etc. - Part 4

[Shanachai]

Thanks go to Aideen Derby-Halpin for the photographs.  Aideen is William Robert Halpin's granddaughter, and keeper of the Halpin archive.

[BillW]

In late December 1888 in Dublin, Eleanor Alexandra Halpin married Arthur Wellesley Carleton, both of 5 Palmerston Road Dublin.  He was a surgeon, son of Rev Henry Carleton.  She was daughter of Nicholas John Halpin, Esq.
This is NJ Halpin married to Rebecca Doherty, and Eleanor was their last child.  The only child I had of Carleton and Eleanor was Cyril Wellesley Carleton born 1891 at 5 Palmerston Road.
Then, in the 1901 Census, in Greystones, Delgany, Wicklow, there is a household of
Rebecca Halpin, head of household, widow, 70, born Wicklow
Elizabeth G Carleton, daughter, widow, 30, born Wicklow
Charles W Carleton, grandson, 10, born Wicklow
Dora E Carleton, niece, 10, born Wicklow.
So, is Elizabeth G Carleton, daughter of Rebecca in the census, a further daughter of NJ Halpin and Rebecca Doherty who also married a Carleton, or have they put down her first names incorrectly?

[tompion]

Dear Bill,

I know this 1901 census entry as Rebecca Halpin was my great-great grandmother, and the entry is certainly confusing.  Firstly, the scan of the original census page shows Charles W Carleton, grandson, age 10, but the scan of his birth certificate shows clearly that he was baptised Cyril Wellesley Carleton. Secondly, Dora E Carleton appears to be listed as a niece, which is highly unlikely given she would be 60 years younger than Rebecca, but it appears to have been modified to Gniece, where great niece makes more sense.

I have two further children of Rebecca Halpin.  Edward Conrad Hilton, born 1870 and died the same year, and Elizabeth G Halpin born 1871. I haven't found a second Carleton marriage. Maybe the census numerator was having a bad day, or the 70 year old Rebecca was a bit senile and gave him incorrect data!

Interestingly to me, as a widow, Rebecca's family were living in Somerville House, Greystones, Co. Wicklow in the 1901 census, where my maternal grandparents lived when they married in 1908, and where my mother was born in 1911!  My grandmother was the daughter of Mary Anne  Isabella  (Bella) Halpin.

Yours Brian

[BillW]

So, Brian, was there an Eleanor Alexandra, or only Elizabeth G, and which one married Carleton?  I have in my records (don't know where from) that Eleanor (married to Carleton) died on 25/1/1950 and that she remarried in 1907 to a Charles Walker.  That should help to sort it out.  And where are they all in the 1911?
I probably have it all wrong, but it is very confusing, I'm glad you admit.

[tompion]

Dear Bill,

Eleanor Alexandra definitely married Arthur Wellesley Carleton on Dec 27th 1888.  I give a link below which, I hope, will take you to the scan of the marriage entry.

I hadn't noticed it before but one of the witnesses was my great-grandfather, William David Bradley, the other was Richard Allen (Eleanor's brother-in-law, who was married to Lucy Halpin) who my grandmother used to mention sometimes at dinner when her siblings were staying with us.

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-545-3-3-094

[William George Knapp]

My mother is Diane Halpin (born in Manhattan to Ralph Halpin) . I just learned tonight 12/4 that my family traces back to Charles Halpine. I have wanted to know of my family history for so long. Finally! I wish I could meet someone from what I would deem-My long lost family. I live in Westchester County, NY. 716.418.5017

[BillW]

Hi William
I have to ask, what steps are you taking to trace your family back?  You don't mention any.

[BillW]

While writing to our forum, I do most strongly encourage representatives, of any Halpin branch, to test for DNA.  At the moment there are significant end-of-year special prices.  Some of the tests are cheap, some are a middling investment.  But once it is done, it is done.

I do particularly want any direct MALE HALPIN descendants to test for Y-DNA.  There are very precious few Halpin-named descendants surviving.

I refer to a few online guides:-

https://dna-explained.com/2012/10/01/4-kinds-of-dna-for-genetic-genealogy/
https://www.familytreedna.com/why-ftdna.aspx

I also strongly urge you to consider all testing companies (about 4) and then decide to AT LEAST decide to test with FTDNA.  It is the only DNA company solely devoted to family history, and it is the only company that tests beyond Autosomal DNA - to test Y-DNA (male) and MT-DNA (female) inherited DNA.

All interested descendants, female and male, absolutely should test for their Autosomal DNA (FF or Family Finder) at FTDNA.  As a package:-
All males should test for FF + Y-DNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/products#/shoppingCart?pid=%20215,1676;
All females should test for FF + mt-DNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/products#/shoppingCart?pid=%20215,1196.

https://isogg.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guides_to_genetic_genealogy
https://isogg.org/wiki/Family_Finder
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/faq#/FYDNA.

Bill  (I have tested comprehensively with FTDNA but mine is very mixed female/male.  My grandmother was a Halpin.)

[BillW]

As a postscript, I do beg any descendant who is NAMED HALPIN to submit that DNA, even if you are female.  Also, as a general rule, it is beneficial to test the oldest family member, who has the least recombined genes.  The following article may assist.
https://dna-explained.com/2013/06/23/mythbusting-women-fathers-and-dna/
(Note, this was posted in 2013, so the prices for tests are not current - refer to my previous.)