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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 15:10 BST (UK) »
The distance between St Gluvias and Sth Petherwin has certainly been in my mind too ...

I wonder whether we could get some census details for John born 1830 St Gluvias?

Presumably, as Kris says, in South Petherwin, parents William 55, ag lab, and Mary 45, other children Jane, Maria, James.

That would seem to make him the John c1831 South Petherwin who is a servant in St Thomas by Launceston in 1851. Maria c1833 South Petherwin is also a servant in 1851, in South Petherwin.

And the parents in 1851 are William c1781 North Petherwin, pauper, and Mary, c1793 South Petherwin, agricultural labourer. As Kris says.

Where did the idea that John was baptised in St Gluvias come from?  ??? There seems to have been a backstory conceived (only late did the family move to South Petherwin ...) to match a random set of baptism records!

I think the problem may be the absence of South Petherwin parish records -- but this is definitely a case of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"! The fact that records of baptisms in South Petherwin are not available does not mean they didn't happen. ;)

But Kris - you do have access?

Ahhh ... just like for my St Stephens by Saltash ancestors: the records are at FindMyPast. The children of William and Mary are there too (James is James Ruse Pearse 1836, e.g.).

I guess the question is: is the John in the censuses shown as born in South Petherwin your actual ancestor? (from the confirmed descent from him, e.g. your ancestor as a child in his census household, etc.)
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 15:24 BST (UK) »
The closest match for William in North Petherwin is baptism 20 July 1783, base child of Abigail
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3158967
who also had a Mary in 1779.

Abigail aged 72 (c1751) died in 1823 in North Petherwin
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=644375
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 15:34 BST (UK) »
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William was born in 1782 (I believe to William and Catherine Pearce)

Do you think William PEARCE was baptised in Perranarworthal?

This Petherwin couple seem to be more PEARSE than PEARCE

This baptism seems to fit with the Petherwin Labourer to my mind.

William PEARSE baptised North Petherwin 20 Jul 1783 Base son of Abigail

Perhaps if you let us know which John you are following (where he married and who he married - children born where} we may be able to sort it out further.

Kris  ;D

Whoops Ditto Janey!
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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 18:01 BST (UK) »
To all of it, Kris.  ;D

Start with the known, is the rule -- and start by telling us what is known, rather than the theory!
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?


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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 22:55 BST (UK) »
Oh Lord I have really gotten myself up a tree!!  :o

The John Pearse I am after is one who married Eliza Jenkin, in Lewannick, all the children were born there to my knowledge. My ancestor William Pearce was their eldest son who came out to Australia.

You are right I have mixed all my censuses together and gotten some of the South Petherwin ones and the Penryn/Gluvias ones mixed up. But according to the censuses my John was born in South Petherwin, so I think you guys actually have the right family.

I am sorry for my confusion and I think I'll be able to get myself back on the right track.  :)


John ROOSE = Joan ROOSE 24 Oct  1791  Sth Petherwin.


Also Kris is the saying that Joan's maiden name was Roose as well?

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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 24 April 13 23:39 BST (UK) »


John ROOSE = Joan ROOSE 24 Oct  1791  Sth Petherwin.


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Also Kris is the saying that Joan's maiden name was Roose as well?

Hi Blamcca,

Yes both surnames were ROOSE.

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 25 April 13 00:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Blamcca,

Are you absolutely certain that William the son of John PEARSE and Eliza JENKIN is your ancestor? Do you have Australian certificates to verify this? I can see this John's marriage certificate, but we do need to be certain we are now on track with the correct family. The certificate does list William a Lab as his father.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19538-39607-65?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-JLJ:n837293484

You do need to verify every step before you commit information to your tree. In your case with all these errors you will need to remove everything from there backwards and add your family as you verify them. (editing will not likely do it) At the moment you have wrong siblings for your John, wrong parents for William etc, therefore I would have to suggest deleting all these people and add the correct ones, correct bmd's, parish records, census records etc as you verify them. It you try editing you will be likely to leave incorrect people/census refs etc. You really do need to start afresh and work backwards one step at a time.

Good Luck with it.

Kris  :)
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Re: William PEARCE - marriage
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 25 April 13 01:16 BST (UK) »
I can't say I am absolutely certain, because South Australian certificates don't have parent's name in this period (other than father's names on marriage certs).
On my William's marriage certificate it says the father was John.
My William also had a daughter called Ivy Eliza (perhaps a connection with Eliza JENKIN) and another daughter Sarah Emlin (Emlin is an unusual name but John and Eliza had a daughter called Emlyn).