Frank Moss - Look up?

[kristof]

I was wondering if anyone might be able to do a birth/death lookup for me?  I'm in australia so I can't get to Dublin to do it myself 

The gentleman in question is:

Francis (Frank) Moss
Born: 1868 - 1871
Place: Garrisontown, Co. Dublin
Died: c.1925
Place: Dublin

The details for his death are somewhat 'speculative' and may not be correct. I would be very interested to know what he died of.

I anyone can assist I would be really grateful

[myluck!]

This looks like him, Francis Moss , in 1870
Civil Reference Dunshaughlin 1870 Volume 12 Page 796

There are several other births to George MOSS and Julia McKEOWN in the 1860s and 1870s
and reference to their baptisms in Duleek RC Church in 1881

Possible  death in Dublin South in 1925

There are several references to him on-line including some prison records
They give his next of kin in 1903 as wife Ellen, whereabouts unknown
and his son William in 1914, he is stated as living in Co. Westmeath

[kristof]

Thanks for that. 
That's about as far as i got as well (though where did you find about the son?). I was really hoping to find out if that really is him who dies in 1925 and also what he died from. 

[myluck!]

If you purchase the death certificate from the General Register Office you can confirm or rule out if this is correct

Do you have his marriage and census details?
As this seems to be Francis MOSS marrying a Mary Ellen GLEESON in 1899 in St. Paul’s Arran Quay, Dublin;
Civil Reference Dublin North Apr-Jun 1899 Volume 2 Page 503
Obtaining a copy of this record would also confirm/deny that this is the correct Francis

Francis seems to have been living at 54 Lwr Wellington Street according to Prison Records in 1899
His address in 1921 was 207 Phibsboro Road

Francis and Mary Ellen MOSS on 1901 census in Howth are possibly them

[kristof]

I'd certainly like to order the death certificate, but I didn't think that I could order them online and receive them online?  If that's not the case, point me in the right direction and stand aside!! 
My concern is that there appears to be two Frank Moss'. The one I'm chasing was born in Garristown, Co. Dublin. In the 1911 Census he is in Swords, Co. Dublin. He is still in Swords in 1913 & 14.  The village of Swords is quite close to Garristown. In the 1901 census I think that he is in Howth as the age fits - in 1901 he is 30; in the 1911 census he is 42; the prison records give his age as 43 in 1914 so there is some degree of error in there somewhere but all within a reasonable range I think.
The Francis Moss from Phibsboro Road, Aran Quay, I think is too young to be the right Frank Moss; in the 1901 Census there is a 17 years old Francis Moss living at Phibsboro Road, Aran Quay.  So I think we can rule him out, which means the 1921 prison reference is to the same person.
I don’t think that there are any other sources I can use to trace his whereabouts after 1914?  He doesn’t appear on any of the voting lists that I can find? 

[myluck!]

You can apply for death certificates from 1924 on-line
For older references you must either post or fax your application!
Link to GRO for details

The reference to the son was as his next of kin on a prison record in Mountjoy 1914
Frank Moss, aged 46, 5'6", Brown Hair, Brown eyes, sallow skin, born Garristown Co. Meath, Address Swords, Next of kin Son William Co. Westmeath

There may be two Francis Moss at that same time but this seems to be definitely the man you are looking for

The 1921 reference is a father to a Henry which if it doesn't tie in with family history is probably the other man you have come across - why confirming is so important!

[kristof]

Ok, I'm doing definitely somethin' wrong...?  I looked at the prison record online as well but didn't see those details about description and son?  Where did you find them? 

Thanks for the link to the online application, will get on to that now.

[myluck!]

Ok, I'm doing definitely somethin' wrong...?  I looked at the prison record online as well but didn't see those details about description and son?  Where did you find them? 

I searched on www.findmypast.ie (also on www.findmypast.co.uk); they are subscription or pay-as-you-go sites; they have images of the actual record books

[kristof]

Thanks for that, much appreciated. Looks like a subscription is better value?  Might have to cancel my Ancestry one and take up this one.

I've requested the prison records from National Archives of Ireland so i'll see how that goes - they're yet to get back to me with the cost involved.