Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872

[myluck!]

I don't have access to the Irish Times at the minute
Is there just a death notice or an article? as there is not an obvious civil record on-line

[shanew147]

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b) how would I found out how he died as it is not on cert in Glasnevin or Irish times listing
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unfortunately without a civil cert, finding cause of death may not be possible. It could be missing, mis-recorded, or indexed incorrectly, or under some unexpected spelling, but nothing has shown up for me either. The entry could missing from the Familysearch transcriptions, and be in the actual index books. It might be worth checking with the GRO if they could carry out a search for you. Since you have a date and his home address (presuming he died at home, or at least in the general area) they would be able to recheck their index, and may be able to bypass these and look to the relevant registers volumes for possible details.

Hopefully if someone has ever heard of any Land Agent records relating to Dublin Castle they will post some details...


Shane

[Desmond]

Hi
Myluck - the piece in Irish Times is just a Death notice unfortunately

shanew147- thanks for that - I might try the Gro offices as this seems logical thing to do.
 There is a chance he might be listed as Coakley as that is the pronunciation of Colclough.I have not confirmed his birth cert yet but there is very strong possibility that he was born in 1845 as Coakley in Bantry with 9 siblings( I have all these details from Church records but "his" one is illegible and as the church record is off poor quality I need to make doubly sure

thanks again for help

[shanew147]

A Mrs. Colclough is listed at the Hardwick St. from the mid 1870s through to 1899 at least. By 1904 the principle name at the address is a Patrick Shorthall. (He's cropped up on previous posts on RootsChat)

Jer. is listed at both 4 Buckingham St. Upr. and the Hardwick St. address in 1872 edition.

The coverage of the deaths Index by FamilySearch for the early 1870s looks to be normal in terms of numbers of registrations.

[Desmond]

HI Shanew147

you mentioned Patrick Shortall in your post  as living at 47 hardwicke street and I checked it on the other posts in Rootschat-(very interesting).Yes it would seem that he moved into no 47 after my gggrandmother(Brigid Colclough wife of Jeremiah) moved out.
Interestingly enough their first son (Patrick Colclough born 1901) (my great grandfather moved back to Hardwicke Street no 42 in 1919/1920 where he died very young also
Wonder what the attraction of this street was ?

Another question , you may be able to throw light on
When Jeremiah died in 1872 he was listed in Thoms as living in 47 Hardwicke St. His wife is listed there for next 28 years.If she didnt work ,would they have owned the house or was it typical of the time to rent (and therefore have the have lodgers to help pay )

[shanew147]

most people leased or rented their house, so my guess is there was the option of continuing on the lease on 47 Hardwick street, possibly at a good rate. Maybe Jeremiah had connections due to his occupation that helped with this. Since  Jeremiah died very young it seems very unlikely that he he could have purchased the house and land, so I would think Brigid must have had some kind of income to be able to stay on... possibly also took in lodgers as you mentioned. (this wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in directory listings as long as she stayed on at the address)

Electoral Rolls back to 1898 are planned to be added to the Dublin City Library website, which might help answer this.

There's no land owner mentioned on the 1901 form B for the address, but this is often left blank.

I've had a search through various listings and see quite a few land agents offices scattered around the city and suburbs - nothing specific showing up for Dublin Castle. Not sure exactly their work involves, but they often appear in a section titled 'Land & Estate Agents'.

Where did Brigid move to ?

[myluck!]

Could this death be him?
Jeremiah Coakley aged 24 in Cork

[shanew147]

^^ well spotted - definitely worth a try.

Age close to the Glasnevin record (24 vs 25), maybe he was back home for a visit, in which case a possible clue to the location

@Desmond - does the newspaper article mention a place of death ?

[Desmond]

Shanew/Myluck - thanks again -Some answers to your queries

Jeremiahs father Cornelius(Coakley) married a Johanna Lynne in Bantry ( both listed on Jeremiah marriage cert with occupatiion as Farmer)). I have a marriage from Church records in 1829 (with 9 other siblings )for Corneilius and Johanna and as I posted before ,the one I think is Jeremiah is very difficult to read from transcript.However because of the same Christain names,same mothers name and the unusual name Coakley/Colclough,I am presuming just for moment that the illegible entry is Jeremiah.So , there is a possibility that the death you found ( My luck) aged 24 could be him on a visit home (as per Shanew).I will have to check this out .I know he died in june/July(need to check my record)
@ Shanew-The newspaper article doe not mention a place of death unfortunately.

I heard from my father that Jeremiah may have been a caligrapher. The Glasnevin cementry entry lists Land Agent clerk as occupation and we heard he worked in Dublin Castle .
 His wife Bridget(nee McCormack)lived in Hardwicke Street till at least 1900 and I found another marriage for around 1897 for a Matthew Mc cormack of 47 Hardwick St .So I am guessing she had a brother who was living with her for a period .(witness was Patrick Colclough who was her son , my g grandfather).She is in 1901 census in Saint Monicas nursing Home where she died in 1906.
Patrick married in 1900 to a Catherine Cahill and one of the witnesss was a Matthew Smyth (I believe another lodger (RIC in Mountjoy)

So a lot of unanswered questions but the big ones being why name change from Coakley to Colclough in move from Bantry to Dublin.How/why and where did Jeremiah die in 1872

thanks for all your help so far