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Canadian research Help
« on: Wednesday 17 April 13 12:24 BST (UK) »
Is there anyone who may be able to assist ...
My Great Grandfather was Arthur Edmund Webb Born August 1903 in Mildenhall Suffolk England.
I have found records of him travelling to Canada Arriving on RMS Baltic 30 March 1930 in Halifax Nova Scotia. He returned to England arriving on 7th February 1933. I am led to believe that he may have got married whilst in Canada however have spent hours trying to find any info but unfortunately I cannot find anything anywhere .. He may have used a slightly different name but still I cant find anything .. If anyone can help or could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it enormously.
Many Thanks
Becky.

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 12:38 BST (UK) »
hi Becky
Not sure if this helps.a marriage in Halifax St Hilda Yorkshire 28.7.1928
Arthur Edmund Webb 25 musician 130 Mount St Halifax Walter Webb dec
Edith Annie Alcock 23 17 married quarters barracks Halifax William Alcock  barrack warden
wit William Alcock and Richard Bocock.
An online family tree says she was born in Lincoln,Arkansas USA 14.4.1905 and died in 1971.
They both seem to die in Halifax ,Yorkshire Dec 1965 and Mar 1971.
Are they yours?
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 13:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Many Thanks for your reply, Yes I am aware of that marriage thankyou , they married in Halifax West Yorkshire England before he went to Canada his wife was my Great Grandmother Edith Annie, however there is another tree on Ancestry that shows that he got married in Nova Scotia whilst in Canada .. He left England shortly after marrying Edith..  Obviously a bit tabboo if true !! But the person on Ancestry has not got back to me with any details :-(

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 15:42 BST (UK) »
www.novascotiagenealogy.com
has marriages for Nova Scotia up to 1936 and nothing shows for Arthur Webb.

www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
I also checked the immigration records for 1930 at Library and ARchives Canada and there is nothing for Arthur Webb there or showing for the passenger lists for The Baltic. Where did you get the information that he traveled to Canada in 1930 on the Baltic. The immigration records at LAC go to 1935 and he isn't on them. I think it is quite possible that the information on the family tree is incorrect.


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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 15:59 BST (UK) »
How intriguing ... I have also checked those lists and cannot find any such "marriage" as the person on ancestry seems not to reply I am stumped .. However she seems to have attached a family photo I have in our Collection of him, so seems to think that he is the same person ..

I found him on the passenger list for the Baltic sailing from England Arriving Nova Scotia 30th March 1930.

Checking the record further it states the following
Webb Arthur E Aged 26 Years. Born Mildenhall England.  Insurance Agent Farming. Employer Canadian National Railways.  To Follow Wife Edith (25) Son Raymond (9Months) 112 Albert View,

The story goes that Edith became ill in England and she contacted the Salvation Army to try and contact her husband telling him to return home (if that is true I am unable to confirm) He returned on HMS Laurentic arriving back in England 7th February 1933.

The confusion has been caused by this "other" tree and the picture which is attached .. any light shed on the matter is greatly appreciated and I thank you for spending the time to check the lists .. Maybe he used a different name - or indeed no such marriage took place. Maybe we will  never know!

Thanks Becky.

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 16:35 BST (UK) »
The passenger manifest is available on Ancest*y.

The information gives a destination of Winnipeg Manitoba and states Arthur is going to employer Canadian National Railways, although it also has his employment in England as being an Insurance Agent and that his intended employment in Canada is Farming. He would have travelled by train from Halifax to Winnipeg directly form the ship. He apparently had CN Rail passage and entered Canada as a Landed Immigrant.

Under relative in country of origin it states ..... To follow, his wife Edith of Halifax Yorks.

I wonder if the marriage in Nova Scotia might be a red herring? Also the birth place of Edith as being in Lincoln Arkansas USA quoted in one of the online trees since she appears to have been born in Lincoln RD in England. Both of these potential inconsistencies are posted on one or both trees under the same username.

Was your Arthur ever in the Navy or Army? Another tree has a photo of Arthur in the Navy dated 1917? (he looks young) and a photo of Arthur in an army uniform dated ca. 1925.

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 17:41 BST (UK) »
Polarbear, Many thanks for your reply.

Yes the photo of him in a Naval Uniform is another long story !! He is 15 in that picture, I found on the back of his Birth Certificate a Factory and Workshop Act Giving permission for him to "Labour" on the "Wellesley Training Ship" Tynemouth in England .. I believe that this was some kind of "borstal" for young boys and he spent time there in October 1918 the records of which I need to research further .. He then went on to serve in the Army as a Bandsman/Musician I believe when he returned from Canada

 I am coming to the same conclusion that this "Tree" on Ancestry is indeed a red herring , however it is frustrating to say the least when you dont get any reply especially when there is a picture clearly posted which is most definately my Great Grandfather as we have the photo in our family
collection ...

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Becky

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 20:09 BST (UK) »
Too bad you haven't had a reply but you may yet get one.

One does need to be cautious about taking what other people put in trees as fact, especially when there are no citations that you can actually check. It is intriguing that they have the same picture though.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 18 April 13 00:48 BST (UK) »

Hi Becky,

I don't think you should worry about the Nova Scotia "marriage". It was most likely caused by Ancestry's handy pull-down list of place names that appears when you start typing in a place name. If you are using ancestry.com or .ca, it always suggests places in the US or Canada before those in the UK. The tree owner probably did not notice that she had chosen Halifax N.S as marriage place instead of Halifax, Yorkshire (same thing happened with Edith's birth place).  The only wife listed for Arthur is the correct one, Edith Annie Alcock. The tree owner makes no claim that Arthur entered into a second "marriage" during his brief time in Canada.

It is annoying that you have not received a reply to your message, as it looks like the tree owner has many family photos and perhaps info to share. I suppose you noticed that she is a great granddaughter of Alfred Mothersole (1859-1940) who emigrated to Canada in 1906 (brother of Kate).
It is possible that your message was not sent to the tree owner. When you login to Ancestry, check "Messages" - "sent messages" to make sure. I sent a message last week and when I received no reply, checked, found that there was no record of it, even though I had done everything properly and the "message sent" box appeared after I clicked "send". I had to send a new message (which did get through).

hth,
Carmela

 
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