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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 April 13 23:17 BST (UK) »
In 1911 Census of distant cousins, the grandchildren are described as niece/nephew..
I think was happened was that the son of the house actually filled in the census ( so they were his niece/nephew), then he put his mother as Head of the House, and himself as son.

As we've a lot of knowledge of this family, who were born in a variety of counties, it was easy enough to figure out, but without background knowledge it would have been a nightmare.

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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 April 13 16:23 BST (UK) »
I think it was on the 1861 or 71, but there were 2 girls aged 6 and 8 who were described as "daughter in law"!  Turns out it should have been "step-daughter"
Johnson, Crankshaw, Burdett, Shaw, Dawson/Dulson, Whitebread/Whitbread, Drane, Hyett, Holtaway, Thompson, Bodell, Livermore, Gee, Vernon, Smith......the list goes on....and on...and on....

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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 25 April 13 16:56 BST (UK) »
In 1911 Census of distant cousins, the grandchildren are described as niece/nephew..
I think was happened was that the son of the house actually filled in the census ( so they were his niece/nephew), then he put his mother as Head of the House, and himself as son.

As we've a lot of knowledge of this family, who were born in a variety of counties, it was easy enough to figure out, but without background knowledge it would have been a nightmare.

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I have a similar example, the mother is head of house but the eldest daughter must have filled out the form beacuse there is an uncle, aunt, sister (husband away so appears with married surname) and various other relations, in all five different surnames within one family household  ::)
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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 April 13 23:44 BST (UK) »
I think it was on the 1861 or 71, but there were 2 girls aged 6 and 8 who were described as "daughter in law"!  Turns out it should have been "step-daughter"
That's not so much an error as a different terminology. The term "step" didn't come into vogue until later. Until then, what we know as "step" (and I don't like that term personally) was for our ancestors "in law".
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.


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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 April 13 08:29 BST (UK) »
Still took a while to work out though :-)

Yes, I think a list of terminology would be good when it comes to relationships.
Johnson, Crankshaw, Burdett, Shaw, Dawson/Dulson, Whitebread/Whitbread, Drane, Hyett, Holtaway, Thompson, Bodell, Livermore, Gee, Vernon, Smith......the list goes on....and on...and on....

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Re: census relationships oddity
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 April 13 00:32 BST (UK) »
Relationships get even more confusing when you go back to the 17th and 18th centuries. The word "cousin" applied to cousins, nieces and nephews! Then there is the term "kinsman". With that one you need to search around; at least you know they were related.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.