Rosie2012 Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome to Join In

[jim1]

We seem to have a serious anomaly here.
This is the 1905 NY State census:
John Neary b.England/42
Annie b.Ireland/42
Lillian b.USA/13
Thomas b.USA/10
John b.USA/6
Mary b.USA/4
Thomas b.Ireland/64/ father
How can he be here if he died in 1882 ??
Which is the right family this one or the one in England?
If they are the same then the 1882 death isn't him.
Thomas says he's been in the USA for 25 years!

[Rosie2012]

The John Neary you have found on the 1905 NY State Census is the brother, or possibly the father of Elizabeth McGurk.  His wife and children are the same as on later Census returns (minus Anna Rita who was born after 1905).  John is the son of Thomas b.Ireland, d.1882 and he himself had a son Thomas b.Chicago in 1895.

Interestingly, as someone else as pointed out, the birth record for Thomas Neary gives his parents names as John J Neary and Anne McGuire - could she possibly have been Ann McGurk?

Someone has kindly offered to look up the Baptismal Record of William Neary on Tuesday and hopefully that may give some more information

[jim1]

The John Neary you have found on the 1905 NY State Census is the brother, or possibly the father of Elizabeth McGurk.

But how can his father be with him if he died in 1882?

[Rosie2012]

I hadn't realised that his father was with him in 1905.  I don't have a BMD record of Thomas's death but was told that he died in 1882.  There does not appear to be any record of him in the UK after the 1881 Census so he might have gone to stay with his son and by 1905 could have been in the US for 25 years.     

[jim1]

It's possible Thomas "remarried" to a Bridget Brett & went on to have another family.
They lived in Manhattan a few blocks away from John.
This Thomas says he immigrated in 1880/1 & was born Ireland 1841.

jim

[Rosie2012]

Well ... we may have a bigamist!!!  John's father (Thomas) was born in Ireland in 1841 and his last appearance on the UK Census is 1881 (taken 3 April) so he could have emigrated soon after.

[jim1]

Where did the Thomas Neary death come from?
The closest I can find is Thomas Narey d.1882 Wigan b.1830.
I can't see your Thomas.

jim

[Rosie2012]

It came from family members.  Perhaps they were covering up the fact that Thomas had run out on his wife and children

[jim1]

What we have so far is Thomas emigrated 1880-1 & probably started a new family with Bridget Brett.
John followed in 1888 & was in contact with him during that time.
John's wife Annie McGuire isn't Elizabeth's mother as she emigrated before her birth.
What we need to know is what was happening in the Neary household after Thomas left & before Elizabeth was born.
If you don't have any joy with the Lancs. post you will have to get William's birth cert. which may not be a bad idea anyway as what's on the cert. may differ from what's said at the Christening as was the case with Elizabeth.

jim