George Thomas

[spades]

I've just realised that I didn't provide a complete citation for the file:

Archives New Zealand reference:
Title: Ledger
Item ID: R4409703
Agency: ADRK
Series: 17399
Group Record: T9
Box/Item: 2

Spades

[Tiki1962]

Efficient as always Spades! Thanks
Tiki

[BegClonrode ....]

Hi again Tiki...

Spades was kind enough to email me a copy of the ledger photo so whether you want it or not here's my two cents You've most likely worked it all out anyway....

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"He was to sail in the Ballarat. Paid towards the voyage". This would be the Ballarat departing Auckland 3 Nov 1867 arriving in London 21 Feb 1868. I think it says he paid £14 towards the voyage but that's just a guess. £14 is about $1500 nowadays. Seems an awful lot for a pensioner.

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"Transferred to Norbiton, Kingston on Thames near London" would refer to the 70th's regimental depot known as "The Barracks".

The Regimental Depots - Kingston-Upon-Thames
http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/1661to1966/depots_k/depots_k.shtml

For what it's worth, the records of the East Surrey regiments have been transferred to the Surrey History Centre and are available for researchers. Don't know if a record of George's arrival would still exist but you never know. Maybe there's a record of his eventual departure from the Depot listing his intended destination. Now that would be a find.

Surrey History Centre - (Hope this link works)
http://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=ESR&pos=1

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My money is still on George returning to the north of Ireland but maybe he stayed in England for a few years. He might be one of the several hundred George THOMAS's listed in the 1871 census. If you've access to ancestry and a few hours to spare....

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The really annoying thing is that the National Archives in Kew only have detailed ledgers for UK-based pensioners up to 1862. Not sure why we here in the Colonies have ledgers that go much further. Fortunately we do as you've now got a definite time and place to continue the search.

Regards
Beg

[Tiki1962]

You are a gem Beg. I have been trying to decipher some of the information so your interpretation helped. When George went back to England he would of had two daughters with him. They would of been 11 and 13 years old. I am looking for shipping records next as it might show them.

I had ordered a death certificate for Catherine Thomas
, George's wife, and she died in 1864. It said she lived in William Street and so did George according to the records. So it may be the right one 

I will email Surrey History Centre and see if they hold any of the information you have listed.Thank you for the links too.

Thank you so much. It was very muddy waters and now some history is finally showing through.

Tiki

Ps all the links work 

[BegClonrode ....]

Hi Tiki...

Thanks for the PM. Kiwi born and bred but had a twenty year OE in the UK. Had a good look around at the time so am reasonably familiar with that part of the world. Having said that, the internet has turned the world into a series of websites so one National Archives of [insert country] website is pretty much like another.

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I had forgotten that in 1867 the two daughters would still have been quite young. If they did travel with George, and if they all remained together in England for a few years, it should make it easier to identify them in the 1871 census.

I don't think you'll have much luck finding the passenger list for the Ballarat, although I hope I'm wrong. By all accounts pre-1878 UK incoming passenger lists are virtually non-existent.

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Is your Alfred HUETT the Alfred who married Eliza in 1879 and died in 1938. I'm just asking because the probates for both Alfred and Eliza are held at Auckland Archives. If his sisters Agnes and Catherine remained in NZ and had children these children might be mentioned in the probates. Maybe a bequest to a niece/nephew. Maybe not. No harm in asking for an Auckland Archives look-up.

HUETT Alfred - Whangarei - Settler - 1938
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=18787

HUETT Eliza - Whangarei - Married Woman - 1929
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=9382948

Have you seen the 1938 obituary for Alfred that is mentioned on the NZ Card Index. If not, I'll see if it's on the NZ Bio's fiche at my local library.

NZ Card Index
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/nzcardindex/

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Was having a look at the Agnes WARD m.s THOMAS that I mentioned earlier in this thread. Her burial record on the Purewa cemetery fiche says she was born in England. Worth keeping in mind but certainly not conclusive proof. For what it's worth one of her sons (Thomas Addis WARD) is in Whangarei during WW1.

Maybe ask for her ITM. Might mention something. Might not

Regards
Beg

[Tiki1962]

Thanks Beg. I have Alfred's obituary ( the library was kind enough to email it) and I paid for his will from Archives. I don't have Eliza's and I might request this.
Just to let you know that Alfred Huett, Agnes and Catherine Thomas were all born in India. So possibly this is not her... What is an ITM?
Tiki

[BegClonrode ....]

Hi Tiki...

Sorry. I knew they were all born in India. I should have written something like...

"Although the burial record says she was born in England that's not really proof of anything. So this may still be the right Agnes and is still worth looking into."

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Here's the ITM info...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,494517.msg4544371.html#msg4544371

Here's an example of an ITM thread. It goes slightly astray but, as ever, Spades gets there in the end.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,645491.msg4927814.html#msg4927814

If you do request an ITM just mention the names of the groom and bride. As the wedding is pre-1881 it will be in the ITM card index which will make it easier for the looker-upper.

The ITM might not be of much help but it's still worth checking out.

Regards
Beg

[Tiki1962]

Thanks Beg. I still have to learn not to take as gospel everything that was recorded. When I don't I  find lots of new information. I am presently looking through the 1871 Census. Lots of new leads and ideas.
Thanks again Tiki