Wallace, Wilkie, Finlay, Duncan, Rodger, Kinsman, Milne, Oakley from Fife

[janicejo]

Hi This is my husband Bob's father's family from Fife. If you have a connection, love to hear from you. If you can get me some info, I'd really appreciate it.  I am putting this family tree together for my father-in-law, who is 91. He is a 1st generation American, born in Seattle, and only knew his father and his Uncle Bob before my genealogy search.
    Uncle Bob - Robert Duncan Wallace b. 1877 Invercleish, have info on him.
    Father: James Wallace, b. 1850 St. Andrews, lived in Kilconquhar as a child, married Jane Rodger, had 13 kids!!  Died after 1922, dont know when or where in Fife.
    Mother: Jane (Jean Rodger), b.1844 St. Monans, father John Rodger, mother Agnes Ann Kinsman. Died 1898 Markinch.
    Father of James Wallace: Possibly Alexander Duncan.  Related to a Euphemia Duncan. no other info.  Also father to James' sister Betsy (Elizabeth) Wallace, b. 1854 Kilconquhar, according to her marriage certificate.
    Sister of James wallace; Betsy Wallace, lived in Kilconquhar, married Ebenezer Milne, one child Alexander, Ebenezer died December 1881. She then married John Oakley (from England), had 5 more children, moved to England before 1911. Dont know when or where she died. 
    Mother of James Wallace, Catherine Wallace, b. 1828 Kilconquhar. Never married, had a least 3 children, lived with her father George, died December 1881 (just 10 days after Ebenezer).
    Parents of Catherine Wallace: George Wallace b. 1791 (about) Kilconquhar, no birth record. And Janet Finlay b. 1789, d. 1843 Kilconquhar. George and Janet had other children: Mary b. 1817, d. ?, Polly? born?, died, 1821, James 1821-1883, who married Jean Allen and had lots of kids. No info on Jean Allen. Last kid was Janet b.1831, d?
    Parents of George Wallace (b.1791 Kilc) were William Wallace, no info, and Polly (Pauline) Wilkie, 1762-1811 Kilconquhar. Her parents were William Wilkie and Agnes Grub. 
    Parents of Janet Finlay were William Finlay and Mary Bennett, no other info on them.
    Thanks a bunch for your time! Janice

[tidybooks]

Hi Janice,

You have done really well in a short space of time. when did your husband's father arrive in USA?

Not sure of some of the answers you have got so far, maybe worth checking a few. Invercleish, birthplace of Uncle Bob, not sure where that is. Inverleith, Edinburgh.
The age gap between "Uncle Bob" and I suppose his brother, James is 27 years, quite possible but hard to prove, I could be wrong here assuming that they were brothers! Have you got Uncle Bob's birth certificate from SP website, as he was born after 1855,it should be online, this would give his parents and possibly date and place of marriage. "Uncle Bob" is James son, Robert Duncan Wallace.

I think I have found the family in the 1881 census at a Drumcaldie Cottage, Windygates, Fife which looks like them,

Name          Age    Occupation           Place of Birth
James Wallace   36      Ag Lab                St Andrews, Fife.
Jane Wallace   35      Wife                    St Monans, Fife
Jane Wallace   16      Ag Lab                Kilconquhar, Fife
John Wallace   11      Scholar               Kilconquhar, Fife
Agnes Wallace   9        Scholar               Kilconquhar, Fife
George Wallace   8        Scholar                Inver Cleish, Edinburghshire?
James Wallace   6                                  Inver Cleish, Edinburghshire?
Catharine Wallace 4                                Inver Cleish, Edinburghshire?
Robert Wallace   2                                  Inver Cleish, Edinburghshire?
Thomas Wallace   1                                   Inchervie, Fife ?

Still cannot think of Inver Cleish in Midlothian, will need to get a birth certificate from SP.
I have downloaded Robert Duncan Wallace's birth certificate, he was born on 30th June 1878 at Inverleith Mains, Edinburgh. Some info here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverleith

The BC states James Wallace (ploughman) married Jane Rodgers at Kilconquhar, on 27th November 1870. I take it your father-in-law's father was one of the other sons in the census above.

As James and Jane married November 1870, you will get both sets of parents if you download marriage certificate from Scotland Peoples website.  http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

This will help to confirm all the facts that you have got already.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi Janice,

On the 1871 census,  I have found James and Jane Wallace in the Schoolmaster House in Kilconquhar,
James is shown as 21 , an Ag Lab and born in St andrens, Fife (sic) but Jane is shown as 25 born in Aberoromlice, fife (sic). The funny thing is there are no children there, was the 2 oldest children, maybe belonging to Jane in a first marriage? Maybe living with grandparents? They were only married the year before.

Tom

[janicejo]

Thanks Tom, I splurged and got a 1 month subscription to Ancestry. I have found when uncle bob and my father in laws dad (William, b.1881). Came over. They were ship builders in Kircaldy, and continued doing this in Seattle. Their Dad James (Father James) married Jane and adopted her 2 children from previous liaisons. So James is only 15 years older than his first child! James' marriage certificate showed only his mom Catherine Wallace. His sister Betsy listed Alexander Duncan on her marriage certificate as her Dad.  Uncle Bob has Duncan as his middle name, so I'm pretty sure he was James' dad too. 
 I'm hoping someone can do an IGI search to find out when and where James died. Are there records here for England too? Thanks again, Janice

[tidybooks]

Hi Janice,

I have found them in 1891 census at Bank Head of Pittenchar Farm where he is a 41 yo farm servant, and Jane sheds a year or two, is now 44.

I find the family in 1901 census, I think Jane has died. He is a 51 yo farm servant at West Pitteuchar farm. Probably same place as 1891 census. William is 19 yo and he, too, is listed as farm servant. I found Robert as a 22 yo ploughman at East Pitkierlie Farm, living in the bothy. No shipbuilding yet.

Tom

[tidybooks]

Hi Janice,

I have downloaded James Wallace's death certificate. His daughter, Eliza Hartley registered the death, he died on 21st February, 1935 at 6:45am at Begg? Farm Cottar? Houses in the parish of Auchterderran. Interestingly, he was a widower to 2 women, (1) Jane  Rodger and (2) Jean Brunton or Bunton. His parents are down as only his mother Catherine Wallace and he died of Chronic Bronchitis and senility. If you PM your email address will send you a copy of death certificate.

Tom

[weemanswife]

Hi Janice,

  There is a marriage on SP for James Wallace aged 57 (Ploughman) Widower living at Clunie? Bridge, Kinglassie, Fife -  Parents are down as Robert Colville (Coachman) and Catherine Wallace
both deceased  and Jane Brunton aged 56 (Farm Field Worker) Widow living at Pitteuchar, Finglassie her parents are Andrew Brunton and Janet Scott .  Thge marriage took place on the 24 Nov 1906 at Pitteuchar, Kinglassie, Fife.

   In the 1911 census  James Wallace aged 61 Road Surfaceman (Fife County Council) born Cameron, Fife 
         Jane Wallace, 61 born Kennoway, Fife
         Alexander T Oswald aged 10 Born Kinglassie (Grandson)   
         William Rodger 68 Lodger, Colliery Labourer born St. Andrews, Fife

         James & Jane been married 4 years no children and living at Denside,Aucherderran, Fife

 

[tidybooks]

Hi weemanswife,

That fills in the gaps nicely, thank you. Shows that James Wallace had a late career change, ploughman to road surface man.

I notice the William Rodger who is a lodger, I wonder if he is related to James's first wife, Jane Rodger.

Tom

[janicejo]

Hey Thanks Tom and Weemanswife, woww what a lot of family drama in the history!! I found an old message on RootsWeb archive stating that Catherine Wallace was HER ancestor thru a Swinton, whose family adopted the baby. And in the 1851 census, there is a little girl named Christian living with her, who later shows up in her brother's family (WTH?!!) No wonder Betsy dropped the Wallace name. I think though, that James redeemed it by adopted Janes 2 older kids (who kept the Wallace name). Anyway thanks again for this info, I know have the whole history of James Wallace, his 2nd marriage and where and when he died. And the married name of Eliza, so maybe someday I can track her down.  Thanks everyone who has been reading and helping out here, if you're related in some way, love to here from you!! My father-in-law must have inherited his longevity from James, at 91 he's still living independently. I will pm you Tom. Janice