1881 BOWTELL conundrum

[JenB]

i see his father was born newgate london 1837

Where did you get this information?

parish reg for st sepulchre  london parents thomas &susannah father's occ cordwainer edward james bowtell born april 8th 1837 baptised 26 june 1837 living at skinner street

But what evidence do you have to show that this is the father of John Bowtell born Spennymoor?

[DORAN54]

i see his father was born newgate london 1837 i have come across him in the 1881 wales census he's married and lodging in swansea with the williams family  he's a comedian census piece 5356 folio 22 page 40    .he was probably appearing in swansea grand theatre

***********his family are not with him could this be your man?*********

IF ITS THE RIGHT ONE  i thought it worth looking at

[DORAN54]

i don't know how accurate this is but have come across a tree  that shows john baptist dominic bowtell married to sarah rouke/rooke died 9 march1944 age 71yrs ferryhill co,durham

with parents i have mentioned in other posts

[KGarrad]

I, too, saw that tree - BUT it has no sources?!
It does have some rather accurate dates, though?


On the 1871 census, Edward is an unemployed comedian.
RG10, Piece 3610, Folio 7, Page 8
Wife, Jane Palmer Bowtell and 2 children: George David (5, b Tunstall, Staffs), Edward William (1, b St Helens, Lancs).

[JenB]

I can't solve this one.
Looking for John BOWTELL b abt 1872 Spennymoor.
sometimes middle names of Dominic and Baptist are used.
From a marriage record his father was Edward (transcribed as Eduardi)

I'm unsure about what you can't solve. 
His marriage certificate should give his father's name and occupation.
His birth certificate (see reply #1) should give his father's name and occupation and his mother's maiden name.

I can't see John (yet) in 1881.

[KGarrad]

I can't see any of the family in 1881!

With father Edward being a Comedian, perhaps they were in Ireland or Scotland?

[JenB]

With father Edward being a Comedian, perhaps they were in Ireland or Scotland?

Do we definitely know that Edward the comedian was John's father? 

[DORAN54]

i see his father was born newgate london 1837 i have come across him in the 1881 wales census he's married and lodging in swansea with the williams family  he's a comedian census piece 5356 folio 22 page 40    .he was probably appearing in swansea grand theatre

***********his family are not with him could this be your man?*********

IF ITS THE RIGHT ONE  i thought it worth looking at

this must be him in 1881 swansea

[JenB]

I can see two different trees on Ancestry for Edward J Bowtell and Jane Palmer Ramsay 

According to one of them their only child was John Baptist (no evidence given)

According to the other they had four children - George, Mary, Edward and Agnes.

I still think you need to get either the birth or marriage certificate.

At present this all seems to be guesswork