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1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:19 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I can't solve this one.
Looking for John BOWTELL b abt 1872 Spennymoor.
sometimes middle names of Dominic and Baptist are used.
From a marriage record his father was Edward (transcribed as Eduardi)
John is sometimes transcribed as Jonannis or similar (birth of his children transcriptions)
1891 records him as a boarder in Tanfield and 1901 records him at 13, Elswick Terrace, Gateshead.
I am now wondering if Bowtell has been derived from a foriegn name (Botelli perhaps) any help with 1881 census would be appreciated.
Best Regards

Alan
Co. Durham : Ramsey, Coates, Holmes, Cassidy, Warwick
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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: alramsey on Sunday 07 April 13 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi all,
I can't solve this one.
Looking for John BOWTELL b abt 1872 Spennymoor.

freeBMD shows John Baptist D Bowtell, 2q 1872, Auckland 10a, 283
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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:40 BST (UK) »
If the family were Catholic (and I suspect they were) then the "transcriptions you are seeing are simply the birth & marriage register entries in Latin! ;D

Catholic registers were always in Latin until fairly recently?
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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:42 BST (UK) »
 i see his father was born newgate london 1837 i have come across him in the 1881 wales census he's married and lodging in swansea with the williams family  he's a comedian census piece 5356 folio 22 page 40    .he was probably appearing in swansea grand theatre

his family are not with him could this be your man?

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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:48 BST (UK) »
Quote from: KGarrad on Sunday 07 April 13 14:40 BST (UK)
If the family were Catholic (and I suspect they were) then the "transcriptions you are seeing are simply the birth & marriage register entries in Latin! ;D

Agreed! John Bowtell married in 1891 at St Joseph's Roman Catholic Church, Stanley, Co. Durham.
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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 April 13 14:50 BST (UK) »
there is a john bottell age 8 as a boarder in glasgow 1881 he was born england.
census scotland page 24 line 9 ed 12
with the arthur family  5 william st port glasgow

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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 April 13 15:01 BST (UK) »
did his mother jane die with his 2 brothers in 1874 do you think?

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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 April 13 15:33 BST (UK) »
Quote from: DORAN54 on Sunday 07 April 13 14:42 BST (UK)
i see his father was born newgate london 1837

Where did you get this information?
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Re: 1881 BOWTELL conundrum
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 April 13 16:03 BST (UK) »
Quote from: JenB on Sunday 07 April 13 15:33 BST (UK)
Quote from: DORAN54 on Sunday 07 April 13 14:42 BST (UK)
i see his father was born newgate london 1837

Where did you get this information?
parish reg for st sepulchre  london parents thomas &susannah father's occ cordwainer edward james bowtell born april 8th 1837 baptised 26 june 1837 living at skinner street
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