ASSISTANCE_RE._Annie_Maria_KIRBY_born_circa_1870-DEATH/MARRIAGE_DETAILS ???

[Neil Todd]

According to NSW BDM he was born to William and Alicia in 1866 making him 58 when he died 1924.

If he was married for 22 years on his DC he married in 1902. There is a fair amount of literary licence with the dates and ages of all this crew?

Neil

[Neil Todd]

Methinks the two Annies were friends and his wife Annie died 1889 and the next birth was to the second Annie 1890. It is possible she died in childbirth to the birth of William J Sherden in 1889.

Neil

[Leeroy_2]

The informant to John Sherden's 1924 death certificate is the manager of the Hospital so I wouldn't hold much weight to incorrectly recorded 22 years instead of 27 years married.

Interestingly his parents are, William Sherden born circa 1831 and Alice Cookson born circa 1833. They married in 1954 in Manchester, England. I've attached their marriage certificate.

The parents details obviously is contrary to the information on the marriage certificate from 1897 (Annie Morrison & William Sheridan). I can only explain this by saying that Alice Cookson's middle name is Morris. Perhaps when verbally providing the details it's been incorrectly recorded.


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[giblet]

Arh the informant on death certs can have a lot to do with how they are filled out 

[Leeroy_2]

Thanks Niel for your ideas, but the second Annie BRADFORD is born 1878. She would have been 12 in 1890. The death certificate for 10 month old Alice Mavis SHERDEN Apr 1891 (616/1891) lists her mother as Annie Maria KIRBY.

But perhaps I should order both the birth certificate for Alice Mavis SHERDEN (25572/1890) that should give me some idea who her mother is. Hopefully she'll be the informant which will eliminate the need for me to order the 1889 death certificate of, Annie M KIRBY (1413/1889) - Maybe I should order a transcription anyway.

I've just had a brain wave, perhaps Alice Mavis SHERDEN was born Dec 1889 and registered in 1890 (25572/1890) and like you said Annia Maria KIRBY may have died in child birth and her death registered in that year 1889 (1413/1889). I know it states on little Alice Mavis SHERDEN's death certificate Apr 1891 that she was 10 months. But obviously their sense of time was severely distorted back then.

[giblet]

The death cert. for Annie Maria KIRBY should have kids names and would be interesting to see if Sherden was the informant. A pity we cant work the actual dates out on the NSW bmd  We'd be able to see if Annie died around the same date the little one was born. But we cant 

[Leeroy_2]

I've ordered the death cert for Annie M Kirby (1413/1889), I've also ordered a birth certificate for Alice Mavis Sherden (25572/1890) I've got in for happy hour so I can get transcripts for $16 just looks like it's a two to three week wait however.

Also I've found a birth cert for Ann Kirby from 1871 (17125/1871) with the same listed parents Ann and Cornelius as the death cert (1413/1889). So the age matches up nicely.

Leeroy

[giblet]

Can you keep us informed please, i would be interested to know how you go with it 

[muss]

Hi

The bdm numbers change every 3 months , so if you search the year and annie  and reg place you shoud see a change in numbers.  much easier with a disc.

Muss