ASSISTANCE_RE._Annie_Maria_KIRBY_born_circa_1870-DEATH/MARRIAGE_DETAILS ???

[Leeroy_2]

Hi guys,
I'm researching my Great Great Grandfather, John William Sherden b1866. His first wife I understand to be, Annie Maria Kirby, I estimate her birth as 1870 as she lists her age at 19 for her first child, William John Sherden (below).

According to their first child, William John Sherden (b28 Apr 1889) birth certificate they married, 29 Jul 1887 in Sydney. William's death cert. in 1942 and his marriage cert. both state mother unknown. Obviously I've tried all my might to locate a marriage certificate for John/Annie 1887 marriage with many different variations with nil success.

Their second child, Alice Mavis Sherden b1890 - death certificate (d20/04/1891) lists her mother as Annie Maria Kirby. Those are the two children from her I am aware of. (John goes on to have more children with his second wife).

John William Sherden b1866 remarries on the 2nd March, 1897. On this marriage certificate he is listed as a widower.

Obviously I've search all I can for a death notice between 1890 and 1897 with all possible combinations with nil success and a marriage cert. for 1887 with nil sucess. Hopefully someone can help me here

Kind Regards,
Leeroy

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[Neil Todd]

Looks like they lived in SIN

Annie Maria KIRBY died in 1889 with the SURNAME KIRBY.
So may not have ever tied the knot.
Neil

MODIFIED. I think the right name is SHERIDEN

[Neil Todd]

This Marriage

JOHN SHERIDAN + ANNE BRADFORD  AT  LEICHHARDT 1272/1897

Neil

[Leeroy_2]

I'm just a little confused, she had two children post 1889, it can't be her death, 1413/1889. She is listed as the informant in at least one of those certificates and as the mother post 1889.

And the 1897 marriage is for the certificate I've attached whereby he lists himself as a widower.

I'm assuming it's an argument that possibly Annie Maria KIRBY and Annie Maria Tomah BRADFORD are the same person ? and she's lied bout her surname because they weren't married ?

[Leeroy_2]

I've attached Annie Maria Tomah Bradford's birth certificate from 1878. If this Annie is the same person according to her birth certificate she would have been 11 years old when William John Sherden was born in 1889.

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[giblet]

Mmm are you sure it is the same Sherden/Sheriden fella that married[?] Annie Maria and Ann Bradford?

[giblet]

On the 1889 birth cert. father is what appears to be aged 22 then on the 1897 marriage cert. his age appears to be 26. That doesnt add up 

The cert. are a bit hard to read 

[Leeroy_2]

Hi Gilbert, thanks for taking the time to have a look. I apologise about the quality of the certificates, I've had to compress the image quality to fit in with the maximum size of 500kb.

In short I am very sure, I have several documents which confirm it's the same John Sherden incl. his death certificate which I have attached. On his death certificate it states his son, Ernest Charles Sherden with a correct age according to our knowledge of a 1904 birth for Ernest.

It's on this death certificate it lists that he has married Annie Bradford.


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[giblet]

No probs about the certs. it still gives us a idea of whats on them.

How long does the death cert. say he was married for?
And the age of the eldest child?

Sorry cant read it properly again 


Scrap all the above, stupid me was thinking he died in 1904 when that is when one of his sons were born. Im known for wally moments  Sorry.