Tinning in Arthuret, Longtown

[Jueb1962]

Hoping to hear from anyone who may have a connection with the Tinning family from Arthuret, Longtown and who is willing to help me unravel my Tinning connection!!  Here goes:

I believe Mary Tinning (born 1768-1770) who married John Robson 1801 in Arthuret could be my 4xGreat Grandmother.

My 2xGreat Grandmother was Jane Black, daughter of James Black, Labourer. According to census information Jane was born abt 1831 in Rockcliffe. (I am waiting to receive a parish record cd to confirm this.)

I have not yet been able to confirm who Jane's mother was (again, hoping the parish record cd will help) however I have found a marriage for a James Black/Mary Robson 6 Jan 1833 Arthuret.

In 1841 I believe my Jane is living in Longtown, aged 10yrs, with John & Mary Robson (69yrs) and their son James 31yrs. (From Family Search it appears John & Mary also had a daughter called Betty in 1802 but no sign of a Mary.)

Jane Black married John Percival at Rockcliffe 12 Nov 1853, a David Tinning was a witness.

Their first child David Tinning Percival was baptised 24 February and buried 26th February 1854 at Rockcliffe.

In 1861 Census Jane & John Percival are living at Cleughfoot, Netherby with their two children Mary Jane 6yrs (registered as Mary Jane Tinning Percival) and son William 3yrs (my GGf), Elizabeth Percival (John's mother) and a boarder, widow Mary Robson 91yrs born Arthuret.

The above leads me to believe that either:
Mary Tinning baptised 25 May 1768 daughter of James or
Mary Tinning baptised 12 July 1772 daughter of James is my 4xGrt Grandmother, I just dont know which one!

It appears that there are two James Tinnings at this time - one who married a Jane Wilson 15 July 1766 and one who married a Jane Graham 3 August 1767! Not helpful!!

So to sum up I am trying to (i) find Mary Robson's (formerly Tinning) daughter who I believe is Jane Black's mother; (ii) confirm which of the Mary Tinning Baptisms and James Tinning marriages are mine.

I am hoping to gain more information that may help me unravel all these Tinnings including what is the link between David Tinning and my 4xGt Grandmother Mary Tinning!!!

Hope this all makes sense!

[Sharon01]

Hi,

There is a David Tanning on the 1841 census living in Longtwon (transcribed as Sinning).

Address Line Moor

Jane Tinning 65 farmer
David Tinning 20
Sarah Tinning 20
William Tinning 15

All born in county.

Family search has this record for a David born 1817, Arthuret.

David Tinning baptised on 27/07/1817, Arthuret.
Parents Francis Tinning & Jane Graham.

There is also a David Tinning born 1785, Arthuret to parents James Tinning & Jane.


Sharon
 

[Jueb1962]

thank you Sharon for taking the time to reply..yes I have seen this. I think David & Francis are brothers & their parents are John Tinning & Sarah Laidley.....but how they link to James Tinning & my Mary Tinning, I dont know. 

I am presuming I have the right Mary Tinning based on her dob in the two census I have for her & the fact she has named her son James.  One thing is for sure she and Jane Black must have had a good relationship with David Tinning if he was a witness at Jane's marriage and then she named her first child after him.

[Jueb1962]

apologies Sharon..I have just reread your msge & missed your comment abt the David Tinning born 1785 to James & Jane. So this David could well be Mary's brother....

[Sharon01]

apologies Sharon..I have just reread your msge & missed your comment abt the David Tinning born 1785 to James & Jane. So this David could well be Mary's brother....

That was what I was thinking, but how to tie it all in.

Sharon

[Jueb1962]

Sharon..I'm getting there!!  Just found what I think maybe unmarried children of James & Jane in the 1841, 1851, & 1861 census...living at Chapeltown, Breconhill, Arthuret....

1841 - John 70, Reginald 60, Jane 53, David 50 and a Sarah 30

1851 - Reginald 73, Jane 76, David 63

1861 - Jane now the Head 80 living with farm servants..

I'm now wondering if this is the David (possibly Mary's brother) and not the "young" David born 1817.  Still more proving to do though!!! 

Thanks for helping me see all this Sharon!

[Sharon01]

Reginald Tinning baptised on 22/04/1777, Arthuret. Parents James & Jane Tinning.

Sharon

[Sharon01]

Also for James & Jane.

Elizabeth 1791 died 1792 (mother's maiden name is Graham).
John 1775
William 1778
Jane 1779
Jane 1782

Now which James & Jane are they, as you mentioned their were 2 marriages for a James to a Jane around that period.

Sharon

[Jueb1962]

I know!! They certainly didnt have much imagination when it came to names!! I've made a list of possible baptisms for the two sets of families...and through a process of elimination & the info on the Chapeltown address in the census,  "think" the following baptisms might be "my James & Jane".  Havent a clue which Jane though!!

1768 Mary
1770 James
1775 John
1777 Reginald
1779 Jane
1785 David
1791 Elizabeth