Marriages of Mary Mason to John Quinn and John Butler

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Thanks for the help MyLuck!
Seems I have a lot to learn in regards to genealogy research. Will remember the search for other relations might reveal more clues.

 

[myluck!]

We are always learning and its why this site is great sometimes asking the question can get answer or idea you didn't think of and help break down the walls

In my searches I have found that moving to research a sibling can provide clues, also looking at the sponsors at their children's baptisms and if you are lucky the person who registered a birth will be a grandparent or aunt and state such!

I had a look this morning at Esther as she was not on the 1911 census as MASON
I think she may have married a Joseph LAMBERT in 1907 (Rathdown Jul-Sep V2 P853)
This is based on searching for all four possible spouses with a wife named Esther
This looks like the LAMBERT family in 1911
Shanganagh is the the same general area of Loughlinstown

Best of luck - I will look again for Mary's marriages, there may be other reasons that the marriage is not recorded e.g. if John QUINN never existed and was created to cover a pregnancy this would explain no marriage and death record, however the lack of a second marriage record is then very co-incidental!
For the record: Some of the relatives I have looked at in that area married in Dundrum which put them into the Dublin South Civil District

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I have just entered the information into Familysearch.org and came up with two marriages for a Mary Mason in Dublin south.
One in April-June 1901, the other in Jan-Mar 1903. Unfortunately there is no spouse listed and when I enter the same info for John Quinn, there is no cross match :-(.
Yes, Mary's sister Esther married Joseph Lambert. Funnily enough, I have quite a bit on the family as I found a headstone erected in Rathmichael old cemetery by Esther and it lists parents and children that had died also!
I am starting to suspect that Mary NEVER married John Quinn, as he was known as a "bad sort" anyway!
The John Quinn living in Sallynoggin Road on the 1901, appears many times in prison on the 1911 census returns!
Maybe this is him.....

[myluck!]

Still haven’t found a marriage (or two) for Mary!
I did locate a brother you hadn’t mentioned Michael as listed on www.familysearch.org are:
Nov 12 1870: James; birthplace Rathmichael (F) Patrick MASON (M) Catherine MASTERSON
Oct 25 1872: Mary A.  ; birthplace Dublin (F) Patrick MASON (M) Catherine MASTERSON
Mar 21 1877: Esther; birthplace Dublin (F) Patrick MASON (M) Cath.  MASTERSON
Jan 07 1879: Michael; birthplace Dublin (F) Patrick MASON (M) Catherine MARTERSON

I cannot see a death or census record for Michael
edited to add There is a death in 1881 Rathdown Jan-Mar V2 P907 aged 0 that is possibly Michael

I can also see the death of the father Patrick MASON in 1895 Rathdown aged 45 V2 P847

However I cannot find a marriage for Patrick MASON and Catherine MASTERSON either!

Is there a pattern emerging or was there a church with ghastly records?
I don’t know but I seem to have created more questions than answers so far!
 

[TQ1962]

Cheers MyLuck for the extra info.

I never knew about the brother MICHAEL. Also to say, the daughter MARY A, must also have died as Patrick and Catherine had my Mary on 16th July 1882! Would it have been unusual to re use the same name?
I got my church marriage record for them from ROOTSIRELAND.

15th July 1868
Parish/district of BALLYBRACK.
PATRICK MASON to CATHERINE DOYLE (was she widowed)? both of LOUGHLINSTOWN
Husbands father PATRICK MASON  Wife's father JAMES MASTERSON
Patrick from KILGUADE   Catherine from BALLYBRACK
Both mother's are un-recorded.
Witness 1: Mary Mason
Witness 2: Simon Brian.

Also, here is the headstone erected by Esther Mason in RATHMICHAEL old cemetery
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/dublin-rathmichael-old/target26.html

As you said, it seems odd that neither marriage is listed anywhere. I know from relatives still living, she was very religious, so would expect everything to be above board!

The search continues! 

P.S. I also have from ROOTSIRELAND a baptism cert for CATHERINE

No date of birth recorded.
Baptism 29th March 1846
Parish district of BOOTERSTOWN BLACKROCK and DUNDRUM
Father JOHN MASTERSON (on marriage cert it is JAMES)
Mother MARGARET (surname not recorded)
Sponsor 1: Patrick Tanner
Sponsor 2 : Ellen Hugues

[myluck!]

That's interesting as there were more births to Patrick MASON/Catherine DOYLE on familysearch.org
I didn't note them at the time but will relook

The date for Mary A may be a baptism and therefore the same Mary but reusing the name was not unusual at that time

Just heading out but will keep an eye out as I search! My OH also has Butlers but Terenure based

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I think the Catherine Doyle/ Patrick Mason marriage cert is the wrong one 
Many similarities.... Masterton for the father and Loughlinstown .

On the census return of 1911, JOHN BUTLER is listed as born in MOUNTRALOW. I cannot find this place in Ireland, but a suggestion was MOUNTBELLEW in GALWAY. I have found a couple of matches that come up on Familysearch, for a birth in 1879, which I believe is his birth year. On the census he was 32, so the date matches.

[myluck!]

This is confusing!!

I don't believe the MASON/DOYLE births have anything to do with the MASON/MASTERSON births as two of the births overlap in dates.

This is possibly the Patrick MASON and Catherine DOYLE listed on familysearch.org who had Margaret (Jul 28 1870), Maurice (Nov 13 1872) and John (May 28 1874) on the 1901 Census and on 1911 Census as all the births were in Wexford.

This Catherine states that she had 9 children of which only four were still alive, three are listed at home in 1911; Andrew, Peter and Mary which could leave scope for the others to be siblings.

She also states that she is 50 years married which does not tie in with the 1868 marriage but I have come across census returns that show the total number of years married if married twice! Doesn’t help researching!!!

As you are sure that Esther is correct as a relative, and she is shown as having a mother named Catherine on the 1901 census, this ties in with the birth shown on familysearch.org and Rootsireland.ie which shows her born in 1877 to Catherine Masterson, however there is a second birth at that time in Rathdown on the civil records; Esther MASON Rathdown Apr-Jun 1879 V2 P1000 which is not shown on familysearch.org or Rootsireland.ie. It would be worth investing in this certificate to see if the mother was a Catherine as well, which could mean that the MASTERSON/DOYLE connection is not correct, noting that there is an Esther MASON aged 20 living in Stillorgan in 1901 which may be this second Esther.

I had thought finding a brother Michael in light of Mary calling her son Michael QUINN was a breakthrough but maybe not!

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Hello MyLuck

The MASON?/DOYLE connection is completely wrong. I realised that today.

My MARY MASON'S sister ESTHER definitely married JOE LAMBERT. My dad talks of them and we have the photos of Mary and Essie when they were newly married with their children playing on Shankill beach. The two families were closely intertwined and were living in Shankill where my dad and his siblings were born and grew up.
Granny Butler (as known after she married Jack) even had 4 of the Quinn children live with her as the family grew larger.
Essie took in a nurse child called Peter Dean.

So I have confused things! As if they were not confusing enough! LOL.....