"Inmate" In An "Institution"

[mergendy]

And my beginner's mistakes continue! Thanks for that...

Hmmm, I'll bear what you say about your great-aunt's granny in mind...I'll have to grill my old man properly next time I talk to him!

[youngtug]

, so I definitely think 1975 is a good fit on that score, and she was indeed Winifred Ellis living in the Devizes area by then...obviously more detective work is needed here to be 100% sure,

If she is and as Galium noted she was 86 when she died that would make her birth year 1889. Of course, her birth age may be different for various reasons, ie;  forgetfulness, lying and just not sure come to mind.

[mergendy]

See, this is what makes me strongly suspect that she's one of the two Winifred Joneses born in 1889 in Wiltshire...and I'm tending towards the one born in Southwick (Melksham area) who is then listed as an inmate in the Union Workhouse at Semington in 1911 age 22...all the dates, and the areas, fit, and as I say the story told in the family is that Winifred "went up North" to give birth to my grandad...

Of course if anyone is able to check the 1901 census for Winifred (M) Jones (with news on parents Frank and Jane), when she's 12, that would be great...now I think back I also have a vague recollection of her middle name being May or Mary or something like that, but it's so long ago...

[Galium]

Sorry, I forgot earlier that a 1970s death index entry includes the date of birth - it's 18 December 1888.

If this is the right Winifred Ellis, and the dob is correct, I would expect the birth to have been registered either in the last quarter of 1888, or the first quarter of 1889.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

That birth date only fits Winifred Estelle from Swindon, who probably married there in 1916

For what it's worth, this is the Southwick Winifred in 1901 with her family, who were all born there.
    
Frank Jones      40 - carter on a farm
Jane Jones        40
Winifred Jones  11
Walter Jones     8
Hilda E Jones    6
Harry H Jones   3
   
Reference is RG13, 1938, 35,  3.

However, she's not in an institution in 1911
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X725-SC4

[mergendy]

Many thanks for that...maybe the inmate is not my lady then...hmmm...

The reason I was leaning that way was that the family story was always "she was a servant in a big house in Wiltshire, fell pregnant (probably by the master) and went away to have the baby"...if this "household" she's in in 1911 is the a household where she's a domestic servant, then that could be the one...I guess I'll leave this as the last line I go down for sure, cos it seems to be the hardest to unravel...

[mergendy]

That birth date only fits Winifred Estelle from Swindon, who probably married there in 1916
    

May I ask why you say that?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

i was looking back at the marriage someone else posted up

Winifred E Jones/Frederick Russell Jun qtr 1916 Swindon

Winifred Estelle was born Swindon, and Winifred E Russell died there

[mergendy]

Many thanks Mabel...the search goes on...just waiting for that marriage cert...