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Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« on: Wednesday 20 March 13 02:45 GMT (UK) »
Is there anyone familiar with the location of the Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire in the late 1790s? can anyone give me some indication of the the location of the Parish in relation to the Holy Rood Church on corner of Bernard and High Streets Southampton.   I am trying to pinpoint where my English ancestor may have resided but all I can find from my search here in Australia is a street named Millbrook which appears to be along the waterfront areas to the south west of the city of Southampton.  If anyone can identify the boundary streets for Parish of Millbrook in the period around 1800 I will be most grateful.  Also is there any "directory" from around that period (1800) which identifies the residents of that area of the City?  I have not been able to find a "Census" around that date.
Glennis
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 08:49 GMT (UK) »
This article explains the area of Millbrook.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42021

The earliest useful census was taken in 1841.  Earlier ones were little more than head counts.

There are some Southampton street directories online.  You will have to investgate them to see if they cover Millbrook.

http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/streetdirectories/default.asp
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Thank  you Bearkat, your help is much appreciated.   The Southampton maps were very interesting I will have to take time to look through them.   There didnt appear to be any people in the listings with names starting with I as the lists went from H to J, so I will just have to wait till I can get to the archives.   I have 9 days booked in Southampton so with any luck and the directions to sources that people have given me I may get to see where my 'Isles' ancestor came from.
kind regards
Glen
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 15:01 GMT (UK) »
You can see the parish of Millbrook at http://maps.familysearch.org/ Put Millbrook in search and you can overlay the Ordnance Survey Map.

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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 20:44 GMT (UK) »
The two parishes are within walking distance of each other, but quite separate in that they are not immediately adjacent.

I'm not aware of any surviving census for these areas before 1841. 

I note your ancestor was names 'Isles' - have you looked under Eyles, Ayles, Iles.  I seem to recall this surname causing other RootsChatters a headache as well.

The Hampshire Record Office Catalogue might be worth searching, although you cannot see the documents online.  http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServe/

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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Nell and Stan.  I will be following up your suggestions.  I have only a short time in Southampton when I arrive in England  and want to make the most of every visit to the area where the ancestors lived.
Thanks again   
Glen
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 April 13 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hello greatgran graham
I hope you haven't started your journey, and you are still on Rootschat.
You may have a problem in looking for the church that was in Millbrook Parish at the time that you are looking at. It no longer exists any more than does the village.
St Nicholas which was the Parish Church up until 1881 was pulled down in 1939. It was by the side of what is now the dual carriageway into Southampton at the crossroads with Regents Park Road, and opposite a major fuel station.
The new church is Holy Trinity, foundation stone laid in 1871, which was topped out in 1881, and in 1889 St Nicholas became disused and was closed. Holy Trinity is also now on the side of the dual carriageway and in the late 19th/early 20th cents was known as "The Sailors Church" The whole area of Millbrook, Redbridge, and Freemantle was completely rehashed eccliastically in the 19th century when Freemantle was split off from it, and became a parish in its own right.
Today, virtually all of the old village of both Millbrook and Freemantle  have gone, and industry, commerce, docks, new roads, new housing developments, etc. have taken its place.

If you message me privately I will give you my email address. If you can get hold a softback book called "Millbrook, The Hidden Past" by Rosaleen Wilkinson - privately published in 2002 ISBN 0 9532830 1 1 you will find it a very interesting read.
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Vicwinann
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 April 13 06:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you Vicwinann,
I am on my way very soon and looking forward to seeing where my ancestor lived before he won a free trip to Australia courtesy of the English Government of the day.
I am sure he was more than happy to get out of the accommodation (prison ship) that was provided to so many people in Great Britain and Ireland in the late 18Th and early 19Th century.  I for one am happy that he was given the opportunity (albeit against his will at the time) to start a new life in another land where he became a "constable" instead of a prisoner and had the opportunity to marry and have a large family which has generated many descendants who are pleased to call themselves Australians. 
The search for his family which has resulted in my trip to "Millbrook Southampton", followed the help of many "Rootschat" members who generously gave me their time and interest, including yourself,  resulting in finally pinning down the parents of the young man who arrived in Sydney Australia in 1801 with a different surname to the one that he was christened with in Holyrood Church Southampton. 
I am coming to Southampton to search the maps, records and history of the area and anything i can find that will give me a clue to the places in England where he was born and lived for the first 25 years of his life.  I have spent the last 30 years tracing his descendants in Australia and have always felt the need to identify his early years and parents and grand parents in England.

Your information, especially on the privately published book about "Millbrook " will be a great help to me and i guess i will be chasing up the local Historical Society to get a look at the book.
Thank you sincerely for your assistance it is most gratefully received.
Glennis
   
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Re: Location of Parish of Millbrook Southampton, Hampshire England
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 April 13 12:22 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Just a bit of further background as you mentioned Holyrood. Holyrood Church in Southampton's Lower High Street was the one bombed to virtually nothing by the Germans in WW2. The site and ruins are now dedicated to those Merchant seamen who lost their lives in WW2.
Millbrook itself, although now a suburb of Southampton on the road to the New Forest, was still at that time a village in its own right. Enjoy your visit.
Vicwinann
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