Searching John Dyast alias John Cousins vanished after 1856 Bathurst pls help!!!

[majm]

Right, well, I guess that John was not around by Bathurst by 1865 …. NSW BDM online index has birth registered for Ann DYEST, mother as Emma, no given name for Ann’s father on the index, birth registered 1865 Bathurst district.  #5714.
 
I can also see that in 1878 an Emma BRYANT married John MACKAY/MCKAY registered at Carcoar #2729.  I wonder if that would be John Dyast’s wife marrying …..  Perhaps the clergyman recorded her status as a widow (using the ‘seven years rule’) or as a spinster, or as a divorcee (NSW divorce laws came date from 1873).
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16


Cheers,  JM

[iforani]

  Firstly JM, thank you. Why didn't I think of this before. Yes, I do have the marriage certifcate of John and Emma McKay (my g g grandparents). Emma is listed as a widow, thanks. So, My Dyast was defintely dead by then & this also explains why Emma & John did not marry for so long. They had a large family by the time that they married.

Thanks, Neil. I am a member of Mundia & this is probably my tree that you have logged in to. I do have the children of John Dyast, though this is sketchy as there are that many different spellings of Dyast (Dyest) etc.

My initial enquiry didn't centre around these children. My main query was what happened to Mr Dyast/Cousins/Cousens after he went to  jail. It appears that he got out in 1858 & died in 1860 as John Cousins. I really appreciate all that you guys do. There is no way for example that I could search through the police gazettes as you have been able to do.

This has given us a lot of information that I didn't have, including a description. Thank you so much. 

[iforani]

meant to include this FYI..

[majm]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html 

I may have already linked that, but it is how to overcome every single one of those "not stated" blanks .... Rev Hirst would have recorded the information, and it is that very info that will confirm and validate your research.   If you share the info on your official transcription with the volunteer archivist team at Bathurst, I feel sure there is sufficient info on the script to help them locate their local registers.   You may need to offer a donation, and also to be patient while the volunteers attend to their parish duties.

The Anglican Diocese http://www.bathurstanglican.org.au/
http://www.bathurstanglican.org.au/Parishes/Blayney.html

The August 1878 mc is suggesting that Emma's surname of BRYANT was the surname of her first husband 

Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

Fully concur with JM on the register although I am not sure if they had to supply those details that seem to be missing. As adults it may not have been critical to their marriage being done in the church?

But the actual church register SHOULD have more info. Ensuring you have the correct John Dyest/Dyast/Cousens/cousins would be as important and was he the one that died 1860. Seems relevant to me that there are two deaths recorded with names that fit the bill in the same place at the same time on official records.

Neil

[majm]

Yes, C of E Eccs Law required the info  not sure of other denominations though.  Also a C of E marriage did not need to be in the church building, so possibly not conducted at St Pauls, Carcoar.  It may have been at the family home  or under a tree

Cheers,  JM

[iforani]

Thanks guys, will do this. I am also going to start another topic on John McKay, Emma's second husband. I had thought it possible that John Dyast had used yet another alias, of John McKay, but given that he was in jail until 1858 in Brisbane and given that his wife Emma & John McKay had a child while he was in jail, this is not possible. I am going to start a topic on the second John (McKay) who came from Ireland, possibly Kildare. The church register may have more info, let's hope so. Will give it a go. I have a list of all of John McKay's children ..I just want to know where he came from.

[iforani]

  Have just sent an email off to the Blayney parish of Bathurst so fingers crossed. Will keep in touch with results. Next job is to order transcript of death of Mr Cousins.

[majm]

You know the various notices dating from 1871 looking for John Dyast ..... well, 1871 plus seven years equals 1878, the year Emma married John McKay.   So I suspect that John Dyast was not ever found in the 1871 search....  There's Govt Gazette notices in just about all the colonies in 1871, all asking for the reports to go back to the Inspector in Brisbane.   

The 'seven year rule' is not an exact science.... and it can be controversial to raise it,  but hopefully, I am not being controversial in mentioning it. Here's a link to a recognised authority explaining about it and similar issues affecting marriages in 19th Century Australia.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/seminars/finlay.html   

Cheers,  JM