Searching John Dyast alias John Cousins vanished after 1856 Bathurst pls help!!!

[~MERLIN~]

Modified: there is also this entry from NSW BDM.
V18609023 122B/1860 JOHN COUSINS, NO PARENTS LISTED OR AGE

This death is registered in the Parish of Camperdown; Newtown, Church of England.

[Neil Todd]

Merlin or Jm why would an 1860 record have a early church number V18609023 122B/1860.
I believe the two death records are one and the same person.
Neil

[majm]

   Some of the ECRs are for events up to about 1895.      It is possible that a record of a burial for 1860 has been forwarded at that time to the NSW BDM  , I have seen some rural ones from (I think, relying late at night) Lithgow or Oberon from the 1890s with "V" on them.

I think the NSW SRO guides or Archives in Brief have a fuller explanation.  Those guides are also online, if it is a significant issue I will look up my hardcopies from earlier times  .

Merlin will probably have the info right at finger tips..... 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

 http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/short-guide-4

Re 1860 ECR "V" so yes, it is possible that a civil death registration and a formal notification of a church burial were sent through to NSW BDM in the 1860s   



"The original, official pre-1856 records, were numbered by the Registrar General in volumes from 1 to 120; the other early records which are supplementary to the original pre-1856 records and to the State registers from 1856 were numbered in volumes from 121 to 162. These volumes include a number of events after 1856 and even some after 1899. However, any event after 1856 has been indexed in the index for the year of the event.
 
For the sake of convenience all these records are referred to as 'Pre-1856'   "

Adding my tuppence worth 

If I were to need to decide which one to order, then I would order an official transcript of the civil registration, I would expect it to have a greater depth of information on it in preference to the ECR document.    Civil registrations include three sections,  a) info about the deceased (name, age, place of birth, spouse, children etc, where died, usual address, and that section is only as reliable as the informant's own knowledge)  b) cause of death, duration and that is certified by a medico  and c) where buried, denomination, the two official witnesses to the burial.   The NSW BDM's ECR will only have the info about the burial.  The civil registration will that that info PLUS the two extra sections of info.       

Cheers,  JM
 

[iforani]

  Thanks guys. You've given me a lot to go on. This is all amazing info. Yes, it was the NSW Police Gazette record with the reference to Brisbane but as I only got the "sampler" it didn't give much information. Going by what you gave me, that he had a ticket of leave, I assume as the date on the Police Gazette of 1858 as when he was freed. Thanks for this info, now have the ship's name, "Volunteer", ta.
So Neil, you think it is possible that the deaths of Cousins & Dyson were one & the same man. Hopefully this is right. Thanks Neil, for that info on the family names. If he wasn't John Cousins then John Cousins would have been known to him, hence the alias. Thank you Shaun, MAJM, Merlin, Neil, this is fascinating & more than I could have found. MAJM, should I order a transcript of the civil registration of death of Dyson or Cousins?  Thank you, Merlin, for that very specific info from the Police Gazettes. It looks like he may have had some inheritance, the poor guy & he probably never found out about it. Thanks Majm, for that info about the children (I have that) & for the trove references, have them too. An interesting family! John Dyast convicted of horse stealing & second husband of Emma's charged but not convicted of stealing money & gold dust. 

[iforani]

I just read these posts again. Shaun, I think that the ticket of leave refers to the release of John after his conviction for horse stealing, yes? I don't think that he came over as a convict as he came over in 1848 as a sailor or apprentice on the Volunteer, yes? Am a bit confused by this. 

[iforani]

MAJM I meant to add that by 1857, Emma was living with John McKay & had a child with him , by this stage. I had the theory that John McKay & Dyast could have been the same man but unlikely as 1) I think that you have found Mr Dyast & 2) John Mckay was Irish & his accent registered on my g grandfather's birth certificate, when his name was spelt "McKey" obviously dictated with an Irish brogue (& Dyast was English).

[ShaunJ]

I just read these posts again. Shaun, I think that the ticket of leave refers to the release of John after his conviction for horse stealing, yes?

Yes I think that must be the case.

[ShaunJ]

The Kentish Gazette  for 4 July 1848 reports that the Volunteer, Humphrys, had come down the river and proceeded for Sydney. Other British papers have the captain's name as Humphries.