Robert Valentine Walker

[Dianeduvale]

Well, this is what I can't ascertain really. He used to travel to Slough to visit Winifred and her Family but all records I have show him in Romford/Ilford/Seven Kings. In later Years he was a Watch Repairer/Maker.

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I have found out today that definitely one of Ihonart/Sydney Sewells many Children, Edith (Grace) was born in September 1920 at 36 The Promenade, Seven Kings which is EXACTLY where my Father was born earlier the same Year (Feb) and this is also the address from his Father,Roberts Marriage Certificate in Sept 1919. Edith Grace's Parents are listed as Sidney Sewell (Travelling Showman) & Edith Sewell, formerly Jackson. I now know from further research that on the 1922-25 Electoral Registers that the occupants of 36 The Promenade were Sidney and CISSIE WALKER which I believe was a stage name. On another Birth Certificate for Ruby Florence born in 1914 they are living at 229 Henley Rd, Ilford and Parents listed as JOHN Sewell (a known Alias) & CECILIA Sewell, formerly Jackson. I don't know where the name 'Walker' came from, possible anther alias? I'm going to pay a visit to Redbridge Library to try and search some more records. It's all terribly complicated!

[avm228]

Thanks for the update.  The birth address link with Ihonart's family is certainly compelling

I'm still intrigued by Winifred Clements and think she may be important in piecing things together.

Have you found her birth? And/or death (perhaps giving a date of birth)?

Whom did she marry and when/where - and did she have any given names/initials other than Winifred?

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It's the biggest mystery but feel I've made real progress today
Yes, I'm still convinced that Winifred was a Child of Ihonarts and that my Grandfather Robert was maybe his first Child as he was born in 1897 (still no Birth record/Mother) I've been compiling a Time Line for all his Offspring this evening and Winifred would slot in nicely in 1905, after his last Son, Alfred with Florence Jenner, born 1902, and his first with Edith/Cicilia/Cissie around 1911/4. She was Winifred Ethel and was married in 1924, aged 18 to Reginald Fish. Her address at this time was Battersea Rise. I'm told that her Mother (Clements?) had worked in a 'Nuns College' but died of Cancer in 1923/4 and that Winifreds Father (who had been very cruel) tried to 'get her back', but that her new Husbands Family took her under their Wings and looked after her after she lost her Mum. I'm I've only bought 2 birth Certificates so far but they were a revelation!

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...Richard Gardner Down, aka Sidney/Sydney/John/Sewell/Ihonart, married Florence Jenner in May 1896 and my Grandfather Robert Walker (?)  was born in Feb 1897 - possible that she was his Mother but that he was brought up by someone else? Who knows?!

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Winifred would slot in nicely in 1905, after his last Son, Alfred with Florence Jenner, born 1902, and his first with Edith/Cicilia/Cissie around 1911/4. She was Winifred Ethel and was married in 1924, aged 18 to Reginald Fish. Her address at this time was Battersea Rise. I'm told that her Mother (Clements?) had worked in a 'Nuns College' but died of Cancer in 1923/4 and that Winifreds Father (who had been very cruel) tried to 'get her back', but that her new Husbands Family took her under their Wings and looked after her after she lost her Mum. I'm I've only bought 2 birth Certificates so far but they were a revelation!

I see - so this looks likely to be Winifred's death:

Death, Mar qtr 1983

Winifred Ethel FISH, born 26 Oct 1905.

Ealing 12 0204

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Yes, sorry, I have a copy of her Death Certificate bit it hasn't helped

[avm228]

She doesn't seem to have been registered at birth as Clements, as I'm sure you've discovered!

Who were the witnesses to Winifred's marriage?

Are there any family memories of where she was born?

Regarding her mother have you had a look at Ethel B Clements who died Mar qtr 1924 Wandsworth aged 38?  The location is promising, as is the first name "Ethel" given Winifred's middle name.

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This may be Ethel's marriage:

Marriage, Dec qtr 1919

Harold CLEMENTS
Ethel B SMITH

Camberwell 1d 1767