Pay to view Sites Covering County Clare

[KiwiHugh]

Finally got the birth certs and alas no smoking gun. 3 of them had Kathleen/Kate/ Catherine as informant. 1 said Ireland only, 2 had Kates townland but only said County Clare for John. John was the informant for 1 and only had the County listed for both John and Kate. Interesting that after 9 years of marriage Kate could not state where in County Clare John was from.

[hallmark]

Finally got the birth certs and alas no smoking gun. 3 of them had Kathleen/Kate/ Catherine as informant. 1 said Ireland only, 2 had Kates townland but only said County Clare for John. John was the informant for 1 and only had the County listed for both John and Kate. Interesting that after 9 years of marriage Kate could not state where in County Clare John was from.

So what is now known?  Townland? What townland?

[hurworth]

Did you know that you can now view images of the Irish civil registers for free?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Records started in 1864, which may be too late for John but he may have had younger siblings.

You can use this
http://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
To find the registration districts in Co Clare.

[hallmark]

IF we knew townland, we'd know what RC Parish...

[KiwiHugh]

For Kate we have family memory backed up by records. Uncles even tromped around the place in the 1960s. John is my problem. The only people showing up in County Clare that match his parents names (NZ records) show a birth for a Bridget in Crusheen ,illegitmate from church records and Father a gentleman from Bunn ahow  from Civil reg.. The estate covered all of the townland and even spilled over into the next County. I have been PMed that a John does show up (somewhere )as being baptised in 1860 to the same people. It was suggested  by my PM informant that the priest may have moved his record book onto his next church and hence it not showing up in Crusheens records, but does ( I assume ) at a pay site.

[KiwiHugh]

Opps. Thank you all, especially for the link to the civil reg. Knew the site but did not realise that it included that

[KiwiHugh]

Well I found it at that site that begins with A and the records are in a different format than those at NLI where Bridget shows up. And it was the Grandfather as it is William Butler Snr. Separate register for illegitimate children.

[aghadowey]

Well I found it at that site that begins with A and the records are in a different format than those at NLI where Bridget shows up. And it was the Grandfather as it is William Butler Snr. Separate register for illegitimate children.

You are allowed to type out the word Ancestry 

Separate register for illegitimate children. 

[KiwiHugh]

Have to admit my Latin is a bit sketchy. Church was in English by the time I can remember it. Fancy printed book with something like "Illegitamati something" as its main heading. This John was from William II Butler which while he would have beem quite old (OK ancient) is slightly better than it being William IV Butler who while not married in 1860 was most definitely by 1865 when Bridget was born to the same parents. William III died relatively young. From the six records I have Johns age flucuates by 3 years but 2 of them would have him born only a year from lateish 1860