Charlotte Miriam Howman.

[Lizzy Drippin]

I wondered if anyone could help me find the birth of Charlotte Miriam Howman, born 1870 Long Sutton Norfolk. I can't find a record of her birth and I would have thought it would have been compulsory in 1870.
Thanks Lizzy Drippin.

[carol8353]

This is the family in 1871,they don't seem to have registered Robert's birth either.

Robert A Howman    34
Caroline Howman    29
Robert Howman    4
Charlotte Howman    1

Were the parents definitely married,or could the children be under mum's name?

ADDED - I see they married in 1857,so maybe they just didn't want to register the older two.
Up to 1875 the onus was on the parents to register a birth and some didn't trust the authorities,after that date they used to go looking for babies born and had the powers to prosecute those not registering births.

[carol8353]

The younger children have been registered.

Births Jun 1872

HOWMAN    Leah         Walsingham    4b   290

Births Mar 1875 

Howman    George Joseph A        Hull    9d   222

Births Mar 1877   

Howman    Joseph        Sculcoates    9d   152

[trish1120]

Christening;
Charlotte Mary Ann HOWMAN, 09 March 1870, Ryburgh Magna, Norfolk
Parents, RBERT AINGER Howman and CAROLINE
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Now this is on FreeREG also, Fathers Occp Labourer, Birth 13 May 1869***,
Christened 09 March 1870, St Andrew, Great Ryburgh, Norfolk
Siblings;
ROBERT JAMES, 13 Nov 1866
LEAH, 13 April 1872

Trish

[Yorkslass]

Hi Lizzy,

I had a look at the census Carol found, and see that Charlotte is shown as being born Long Sutton in Lincolnshire

Their elder son, Robert was born Great Ryburgh, and here is his baptism, from the Family Search site -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11020-23386-62?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-QDY:n1314187908

Father was Robert Ainger Howman, also baptised there, on the 3 January 1836, son of Robert and Mary Ann

Yorkslass

[trish1120]

Marriage;
16 August 1857, St Andrew, Great Ryburgh, Norfolk
Robert Ainger HOWMAN, Single, Labourer, Father ROBERT Howman, Labourer
Caroline TUNGATE, Single, Labourer, Father JAMES Tungate, Labourer
Witnesses, Christopher FROST/Leah HOWMAN

Marriage;
15 November 1819 same Church
Robert HOWMAN, Single
Marianne UTTEN, Single
Witnesses, Jonathan BUCk/Jonathan PRATT

Marriage;
12 Sept 1830 same Church
Frances AINGER, Widow (Should be Francis)
Ann LEEDER, Widow
Witnesses, ROBERT/MARY ANN Howman

[trish1120]

Robert HOWMAN Christened 01 Dec 1793 St Andrew, Parents PETER/LYDIA Nee AINGER
Peter HOWMAN Married Lydia AINGER, 05 Nov 1783 same Church (just made it!)

So we have;
ROBERT Howman 1793, Mother nee Ainger
Married Marianne UTTEN 1819
Son ROBERT 1836 Married Caroline TUNGATE 1857

LYDIA Howman is still alive in 1851 born c 1775 Great Ryburgh
1841 PETER/LYDIA are age 70/65 (ages rounded)

Robert Ainger HOWMAN age 15 is with Parents ROBERT 1794 and MARY ANN 1798 in Great Ryburgh in 1851

Sorry if you already have this Lizzy Drippin but it might be a help to someone else in the future

[Annette7]

Long Sutton, Lincolnshire came under the registration district of Holbeach and I think this is Charlotte's birth entry with her surname mistranscribed by GRO when originally indexed:

Charlotte Mary A. Hermon    Jun.1869    Holbeach, Lincolnshire.

This would fit with a birth in May 1869 as shown on baptism.

However, I note birth and baptism record her as Charlotte Mary Ann but when she marries she's become Charlotte Miriam!!

Annette

[trish1120]

Her Mother changes between Mary Ann and Marianne also which is close to Miriam.

1881 she is just Charlotte Howman born c 1868 Long Sutton, Servant