LADELL (CAMPLING) Family, West Ham

[DrJRS]

Hello,

I have just joined. I hope the following is helpful. I am related to the LADELL family, as follows, and so would like to know more about them:

My Mother's name was ROOT (it was ROOTE in the 19th century).

Her line goes back to THOMAS ROOTE (1804-1857), a Windsor Chairmaker in Shoreditch, and to his Father a WILLIAM ROOTE (dates not certain), at one time a Doorman at the East India Company in Leadenhall Street, City of London, and later a Labourer in Hackney.

One of Thomas Roote's daughters, MARIA ROOTE, married  ROBERT LADELL at St.James parish church, Shoreditch, Middx on 12 September 1866. He was then 26, a bachelor,  a Furniture Broker. She was 28, spinster, no employ given. The groom's Father was given as ROBERT STEPHEN LADELL.

She died aged 53 on 13 August 1892. They were then living at 10 Marion Square, Bethnal Green.

He died, if I have the right man, on 7 February 1909 at Shoreditch Infirmary, and was given as a Marble Polisher.

The ROOTE's were also marble polishers and stone-masons.

I have copies of the marriage, and death certificates referred to above.

MARIA ROOTE was born c.1837. She was baptised at St.Leonard's, Shoreditch on 2 July 1837. She was one of 14, possibly 15, children. Her Mother was MARY ELIZA SIMMONS (c.1811-1866).

In addition, the book by Pat Kirkham, Rodney Mace and Julia Porter, 'Furnishing The World: The East London Furniture Trade 1830-1980 (London, Journeyman Press, 1987), says that R.Ladell & Son of Hackney Road were specialising as debt collectors to the furniture trade (p.15). This looks likely to be the family with the tobacconists in Hackney Road?

I plan next week to check this in the 'Furniture Gazette' at Colindale.

Any other information on the families would be very much welcome.

Best wishes.

DrJRS

[DrJRS]

Hi Jean,

I'm new to this. I posted a reply with LADELL info today - not sure if it goes to all on the list? Best wishes. DrJRS.

[margaretedah]

Hi. DrJRS

I was very interested to read your details of Maria Root, the first note I have of her is the 1861 census 8 Bristow St. Shoreditch.  The ladell's  arrived from Norfolk and were freemen of Norwich.
Do you know of any children born to Robert and Maria?.  I have not yet been able to pin-point any to date (but I do have note of three children registered in the Bethnal Green district who's parents I don't yet know).

Kind regards  M

[DrJRS]

Dear M,

Many thanks for your reply.

For some reason, my notes show that I was not able to find Maria ROOTE on the 1861 census. I must look again.

Alas, I have not found any children yet, but mean to look.

I will be glad to share the certificates I have, if this would help you.

These are:

Maria Ladell (as she then was, of course): death, 13.8.1892 (reported by Robert Ladell, widower, of 10 Marion Sq., Bethnal  Green).

I do not have her birth, which preceded the beginning of registration,  but I do have a baptism entry.

Robert Ladell: death, 7.2.1909 (reported by S.Tunstall, Sister, of 2 Carmathen Street, Islington).

Harry Robert Ladell: birth, 21.12.1853 (at Coslany in the County and City of Norwich, in Sussex Street, St.Augustine's, Norwich).

Harry Robert Ladell: death, 10.6.1902 (reported by A.C.Ladell,  Mother, of 18 Brierly Road, Leytonstone).

Ann Campling Ladell: death, 30.1.1905 (reported by A.H.Pipe, Son in law, of 23 Worsley Road, Came [?] Hall).

And the following, which are either definitely or possibly related, but which I have not been able to connect properly:

Bertie Gordon Ladell: death, 14.7.1890 (reported by A.M.Ladell, Mother, of 50 Wetherell Road, South Hackney). [A brother of Harry Robert Ladell, it seems].

Richard George Ladell:death 21.8.1904 (reported by H.Ladell, Mother, of 2 Brand Street, Islington). Son of George Ladell, a cab driver.

Emma Ladell: death, 8.4.1897 ay Hackney Union Infirmary. Wife of Harry Ladell, Traveller, of 431 Kingsland Road, West Hackney. The wife of Harry Robert Ladell, above?

Edwin Stephen Ladell: death, 16.7.1`889, son of Alcie Maud Ladell, domestic servant (reported by A.M.Ladell, Mother, of 50 Wetherell Road, South Hackney). An illegitimate daughter?

I would be very grateful to hear from you and if you have sorted out the line I'd love to have details.

Best wishes. Dr.JRS.

[margaretedah]

Dear Dr.JRS
Many thanks for your latest response you have really set me a task, but here goes.

Robert Stephen LADELL Born C1895. (no idea when he died) Carver & Gilder, admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1826.
Married 1826 Susannah  TILLETT at St. Peter per Mountgate, Norwich. Susan  died 1881 Bethnal Green area. Children:
A-1. Richard Stephen LADELL born C1829 died 1887  Bansted Surrey. admitted  Freeman of the City of Norwich 1850.  Married 1851 Anne Campling FOULSHAM born 1820 died 1905. See below B
A2. Susannah LADELL born C1827 (assume dead by 1831)
A-3. Susannah LADELL born C1831. No other information at present.
A-4. Robert LADELL born C1840 died 1901 Shoreditch. Married 1866 Shoreditch Maria ROOT (1839 - 1892)
A-5. Sarah LADELL born C1843 Married 1864 George Thomas TURNSTALL

Children of Richard Stephen and Anne Campling LADELL:
B-1. Richard Foulsham LADELL born 1851. Died 1909 Married Mary Louisa (surname unknown ) Admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1874 Children see below C
B-2 Harry Robert LADELL born C1853 died 1902 Married 1880 Emma(surname unknown) Only one known child, Albert Stanley LADELL born 1892.
B-3. Kate Ann LADELL Born 1855. No other knowledge at present.
B-4. Samuel Frederick Spring. LADELL born 1859. Died 1876 age 17.
B-5. Arthur Norman LADELL born 1861. Died 1929.Married 1886 Margaretta Sachwell Children see below D
B-6. Emma Martha LADELL born 1864. Married 1899 Albert Henry PIPE.
B-7. Alice M. LADELL born C1870.  Married 1899 George James SKINNER. Children see below E

Children of Richard Foulsham and Mary Louisa LADELL:
C-1.  Hugh Marston LADELL born 1879
C-2. Ethel Mary LADELL born 1881 Married 1923 Thomas HANNANT
C-3. Richard Geoffery LADELL born 1886 Died 1967 Admitted Freeman of the City of Norwich 1907
C-4. Margaret LADELL born 1889
C-5. Katherine May LADELL born 1893

Children of  Arthur Norman and Margaretta LADELL:
D-1. Claude Sachwell LADELL born 1887 died 1964.  Married 1925 Gladys HUGHES
D-2. Gladys Annie LADELL born 1889.  Married 1913 Frederick B ADAMS
D-3. Arthur Randolph LADELL born 1892 Married 1920 Constance DUGARD. One known child, Michael John LADELL born 1926.
D-4. John Francis LADELL born 1893 Killed in action  France 1916Died    .
D-5. Norman Robert LADELL born 1901 Married 1940 Constance H SADLER.  Children see below F.

Children of Alice M LADELL.  Fathers name unknown.
E-1. Edwin Stephen LADELL. Born and died 1889
E-2. Bertie Gordon LADELL. Born and died 1890.

Children of Norman Robert & Constance LADELL:
F-1. Belinda Margaret LADELL born 1941
F-2. Brian John LADELL born 1945
F-3. Jane F LADELL born 1947
F-4. Joanne K LADELL born 1950


Finally in response to your other queries:
23 Worsley Road is CANN HALL Leytonstone. 

I have a note of Maud Victoria Ladell born 1881 in the Hackney registration district. The 1901 census shows Maud Ladell age 19 Frame Maker living in the parish, of Cann Hall Essex. However I haven’t yet assigned her to a family as I don’t yet know who her parents were. 

I’ve always assumed that Alice  was the youngest daughter of  Richard Stephen and  Anne Campling Ladell, however I accept Anne C would have been  50 and it now seems improbable.  Back to the drawing board.

I have notes on George Ladell father of Richard George.
The  1901 census shows him as a widower age 69 Cabman. Also living at address is Harriett Henderson , Housekeeper age 34 ad her two children.  George seems to have married his housekeeper Harriett Henderson in 1902. age at death given as 82, making him born C1829, four years out from 1901 census date

And lastly, Jean Bennett very kindly pass on to me a copy of the 1861 census showing Maria Root so I’m unable to pass it to you without her authority, but you could try asking her  here through the chat line.

Good luck  M

[DrJRS]

Dear Margaret,

You are a fifty five gold star top super angel!!!! MANY thanks for all the time and trouble, and all the information, which is fascinating. I am so VERY grateful. I'll explore the 1861 link, too.

I have also discovered another Roote relative today, who I'm going to meet tomorrow. He has other other material, and we will share.

I'll keep you in touch on this. I think I did sned my geneaology report on the Roote's? But if not, I'll gladly do this. It has a lot of information. If you'd like copies of any certificates which I have I'll gladly send these.

All warmest wishes & many thanks again. John.

[margaretedah]

Hi to Rita M.

re your earlier messages: " You may be interested in the following detail. A Richard Ladell and a Sarah Ladell were both witnesses to the marriage of my ancestor William Cross on 7 January 1773 in Sprowston & Beeston, Norfolk.
Interestingly, William,s great grandchild, Rosa, married Arthur Campling about 1870.        Hope this adds to your knowledge base.      RitaM

Further to our recent messages, I have just been looking a little closer for the Ladell link to my family. I find that my ancestor, Ann Davy, had a sister Sarah who married a Richard Ladell of Rackheath on 12 October 1772.    Regards      RitaM

My records show that the marriage witnesses are certainly Richard Ladell and his bride Sarah Davy who were married at Rackheath in 1772
Sarah was buried at Salhouse 1795, Richard buried at Salhouse 1802.  They had 8 known children.

Could I ask if you know of another Sarah Davy who married  Edward Ladell at Rackheath  in 1804 ?.  I assume this entry relates to her.
Rackheath - 5 July 1803 Sarah Davy daughter of John and Ann (late Porter spinster) age 19 was baptised.

Regards M

[Jean M]

Dear M and Dr.JRS

I have been absent from the desk on a brief holiday and just read through your latest postings.  Good news and delighted to hear from you and see so many new LADELL's to work through.  I shall be back to discuss when I have opened the family file.

best wishes

Jean M

[DrJRS]

Jean,

Good to be in topuch with you and others!

Just half an hour ago a relative [not a Laell] suggestedo me that the Laells married the Kell family (1881 census). I have not yet tired to check this. Best wishes. John.