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W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 12:17 GMT (UK) »
In the 1881 UK Census for the Gillingham, Norfolk area, I have a 54-year old woman who is transcribed as a "W&B Machine Woman".  This appears to be incorrect.  She has originally been entered on the original document as "??? Woman" (first word indecipherable).  Then "wash" (not "mach") has been written above that, and "W&B" has been written before that.  Does anyone know what "W&B" stands for?  I'm guessing the "W" is "wash"?  I've added a blowup of the entry.

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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Took see the census, it is Ruth Webb, 54, RG11; Piece: 1962; Folio: 56; Page: 3

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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:04 GMT (UK) »
Took see the census, it is Ruth Webb, 54, RG11; Piece: 1962; Folio: 56; Page: 3

Stan

Thanks, Stan, I know who the person is, I just want to try to decipher her occupation.

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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Other people would not know where to look to see the original which does help in cases like this  :)
For instance to compare writing.
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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Looks like the "wash" was written by the original enumerator as the W is the same as for other entries on the page eg in Webb.

But the W&B was written by someone else - possibly the census officials - when they processed it. If so - then perhaps the letters W&B stand for "washing and bathing" which was occupation code 063 in "Domestic Service" in the 1881 Census.

See here for interesting paper on the clasifications.
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~matthew/Papers/Woollard_1881Classifications_no%20illustration.pdf

If you look further down the page at the bottom they have also added "indoor" to one of the entries for a farm labourer... and a couple of pages later they have added "dom" before "maid".


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McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:25 GMT (UK) »
Looks like the "wash" was written by the original enumerator as the W is the same as for other entries on the page eg in Webb.

But the W&B was written by someone else - possibly the census officials - when they processed it. If so - then perhaps the letters W&B stand for "washing and bathing" which was occupation code 063 in "Domestic Service" in the 1881 Census.


Thanks Milly, I did notice the difference in the "W" between the entries, but didn't know the codes were used before the 1911 census.  The referenced document will be very useful.  And I note that 062 is for a charwoman, which was an earlier occupation for this woman, so I suspect you are right.

Thanks for the help!

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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Occupations 1881, Classified Index
II Domestic Class, Other Services, Order 4 Sub-order 2, 62 Washing and Bathing Service.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t48/
Charwoman is 61

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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:35 GMT (UK) »
No idea what the word before woman is though ???

Could it be a poorly written Char ?

Or Hir ? (is in Hire woman - not that I have heard of such a thing)

Looking at other words it looks like it begins with N though

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McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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Re: W&B in Occupation
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:40 GMT (UK) »
Occupations 1881, Classified Index
II Domestic Class, Other Services, Order 4 Sub-order 2, 62 Washing and Bathing Service.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t48/
Charwoman is 61

Stan

Comparing Stans's link to the one I gave you - it appears the codes are slightly different. I'd go with Stan's as it is the original instructions.  (Just goes to show - you need the original sources!)

Milly
McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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