A Mystery

[mergendy]

No, I meant the wedding cert for Winifred, not her birth cert.  You should find that on Freebmd - you will have to order a copy from GRO (easiest) or the local Wiltshire Register Office (Swindon, maybe).  It will cost you about £9 - £10, depending how you order it.

It's well worth getting this certs, as it should give you her age, occupation, maiden name, address, father's name and occupation and same for the groom.  You will also see who were the witnesses to the wedding, which can sometimes help (if they were family members etc)

Freebmd is www.freebmd.org.uk ----Added: Garstonite is probably looking here right now!

Thanks again: I realised my mistake too late!

The problem here is that I don't know when, or even if although I'm 95% sure, they got married...

One intriguing thing is her connection with Liverpool though...to my knowledge the world of 1913 was very different from that which we live in 100 years on...what kind of connection could she have had with 47 Walton Breck Road which would've enabled her to go up there to give birth? To my knowledge it's only ever been a private house...could further research on this angle yield anything (occupants in 1911 census for example)? Or is it even possible?

[mergendy]

Hate to put a damper on marriage certs. My grand father married 3x and each cert had a different Christian name and a different occupation so do beware our relies didnot always tell the truth.

Hmmm, there is certainly that...I've come up against one or two other discrepancies in other branches of the tree, but at least I've got somewhat further back with those than with my direct male lineage...still waiting for the proper term here!

[garstonite]

I cannot find a marriage of Lot Ellis to Winifred Jones  AND there is no birth for a Lot Ellis , so I presume it was a nickname
loads of Lottie Ellis ......girls name - but no Lot ...so we need to establish the real name of LOT ??
unless I have missed something ...can someone else look for a birth or a marriage for Lot Ellis please
cheers
allan

[alpinecottage]

There was a marriage between Winifred Jones and Harry L Ellis in Ormskirk (near Liverpool) in Mar Quarter of 1916.  The L could stand for Lot 

You can order copy certs for anyone's birth, marriage or death (as long as it was more than 50 years ago) through the General Register Office (GRO) for £9.25.

[mergendy]

I cannot find a marriage of Lot Ellis to Winifred Jones  AND there is no birth for a Lot Ellis , so I presume it was a nickname
loads of Lottie Ellis ......girls name - but no Lot ...so we need to establish the real name of LOT ??
unless I have missed something ...can someone else look for a birth or a marriage for Lot Ellis please
cheers
allan

Thanks again Allan, I think that was also one of the mysteries here, since now you mention it I do remember something about Lot being a nickname...

The only other details I've got are that he was a "council employee" and Winifred was a "domestic servant" but, slightly maddeningly, these details come from my previous, not-exhaustively-detailed research, so I don't know which census / certificate they come from...

[mergendy]

There was a marriage between Winifred Jones and Harry L Ellis in Ormskirk (near Liverpool) in Mar Quarter of 1916.  The L could stand for Lot 

You can order copy certs for anyone's birth, marriage or death (as long as it was more than 50 years ago) through the General Register Office (GRO) for £9.25.

Thanks again for your help...I'll pin down some more details (or try to) from my Dad later today...Harry does actually ring a bell in some way, but maybe I'm clutching at straws...

I suppose if I draw a blank here I could go to Edward's birth cert. since that should include details of Lot and Winifred, should it not?

[garstonite]

My nan was Martha Ellis b 1899 in Garston,Liverpool ...so I am keeping an eye on this thread in case an Ellis I recognise appears ...
allan

[garstonite]

I think I have found him
Harry Lot Ellis  in Devizes,Wiltshire in a census
could that be him ?
if so ...that Harry L Ellis marriage looks good that Alpine Cottage found in 1916 ...WW1 was on at the time and Aughton /Ormskirk did have base camps there...maybe thats why Harrie Lot Ellis was in Ormskirk ...so...can we find his birth in Wiltshire ( hopefully in Devizes )
allan

[garstonite]

Someone on Genes Reunited has
Harry Lot Ellis born 1886 Worton,Wiltshire ...
I will see if I can find his baptism