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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #81 on: Friday 04 April 14 12:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks twitter (ps might be best to edit your post to remove the email addy, as far as I know, rootschat don't like such posted on the threads, even if it is one that is readily available in public domain, as it can be picked up by spam bots).


Elwyn, just had reply back from Probate office:

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have consulted with my colleagues in the Probate Team regarding your query.

It is not essential now for a death certificate to be lodged whenever an application is lodged by a solicitor.

The applicant swears before the solicitor that the information in the oath is correct.

I am unable to advise if that was the process in 1923.
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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #82 on: Friday 04 April 14 13:23 BST (UK) »
Interesting. I applied for probate in England a couple of months ago. The Probate Office certainly did want a copy of the death cert there. But it seems that NI is slightly different. If a death certificate isn’t mandatory today, then I doubt it was in 1923 either. So that sort of fits with the evidence you have which suggests the death was never registered. Surprising, but evidently not impossible.
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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #83 on: Friday 04 April 14 14:30 BST (UK) »
Well, after response from Probate office.....I contacted GRONI again a little while ago, said that whilst I fully appreciated now that it could be possible that relatives simply overlooked registering a death, I still thought it very unlikely.

As such, I thanked them for having already attempted to find a registration under, for whatever reason, a different spelling variation and/or entirely different name (and I too had tried online by adding a different 1st letter to the 2nd and 3rd letters of the surname and searching that way, but to no avail), but asked if that meant they could not offer any other hope of it being found by perhaps manually using the known date of death and checking again, all entries for that date, to see if any could have been 'my' chap. Anyhow.....have just opened my emails again and found the following reply:

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I have eventually found the death registration which was incorrectly transcribed when the registers were computerised.

The death is */1923/***/****/**/**, the surname was transcribed as “Se***” due to the original handwriting, I have passed this to the technical team who in due course will amend the Index.

 

Result!   ;D

So, it was there, but with 1st and 2nd letters of surname incorrectly transcribed (think this adds credence to the need for them to allow for more variations of surname search than just 'equals', 'begins with (first three letters)' and 'variants', as even 'variants' did not pick up the name - perhaps allowing searches with no surname at all, as in this case, the forename and exact death date and area would have given me result/s that I could have then viewed and checked for possible matches).

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I know mis-transcriptions are always a possibility (I've done some transcribing in the past), but having only purchased 25 credits, ie enough for 5 certificates, that was the second amongst my searches that was mistranscribed. Hope the ratio doesn't continue in a similar frame.

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The chap handling these mis-transcription issues has said he will forward an urgent note about the lack of response thus far to my 2 x 'Error Page' emails.
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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #84 on: Friday 04 April 14 14:52 BST (UK) »
Am pleased for your success Scotmum, it pays to keep plugging away at the powers-that-be! ;)

I was struggling with their version of 'variants' too - many of my Burtons came up as Barton and Coote was Coate.  (though perhaps this was due to the handwritten returns coming in from the churches each quarter) Would be nice to have the option of using * or % for missing letter/s, wouldn't it?


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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #85 on: Friday 04 April 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
Would be nice to have the option of using * or % for missing letter/s, wouldn't it?
 

Indeed!   :)  As I have always found such options elsewhere to be incredibly helpful.
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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #86 on: Friday 04 April 14 15:20 BST (UK) »
It is odd because I have searched the GRONI database using the public terminals in their offices in Belfast, and you can use wildcards and curtailed names etc there. Strange those features aren't on the on-line version.
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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #87 on: Friday 04 April 14 15:22 BST (UK) »
Have just received this from Groni regarding "the error" message which occurs for some on the stored search facility.

"We have been advised by our IT provider that they have identified the issue causing the stored search facility to malfunction.
A fix is planned to be implemented this afternoon between 3pm and 5pm (please note that the site will be unavailable during this time)."

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BEVAN, Cambridge, New York
CORBETT, DUNNE, WILLINGTON, Tipperary
LYNCH, Tipperary, Dublin, New York
CARROLL, Tipperary,  Limerick
CONNERY,ELLIS,GUERIN,HINCHY,HUMPHRIES,McMAHON,SHEEHY,TAYLOR,WELSH/WALSH,  Limerick
CONLISK, DALY, DAVIN, FLANAGAN,  Kilconla, Galway
BROWN, Tyrone
HANNON, MOORE, TOTTEN,  Antrim
McLERNON /McALERNON, CREANEY, DONNELLY ,  Antrim, Down, Armagh

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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #88 on: Friday 04 April 14 15:25 BST (UK) »
I've just been checking dates of birth for the 6 siblings of my husband's grandfather, using the free search not viewing the actual entries.  I already had birth and baptism dates from church records on microfilm at the PRONI.  I'm amazed that 4 of the 6 are different dates - i.e. church records say born 16 Jan, GRONI index states 27 Feb, 4 May/20 May, 1 Feb/13 Feb and 8 Oct/20 Oct.  In all cases the baptism took place 2 or 3 months after the birth, so that means that the parents forgot the correct date by then! 

Are anyone else's relatives that forgetful?

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Re: GRONI records to On-line November 2013
« Reply #89 on: Friday 04 April 14 15:32 BST (UK) »
It was often a bit of a trek into the nearest Registrar to register a birth, so people waited till they were going into town for some other reason and then killed two birds with one stone. However there was a penalty for late registration so to avoid that, what most parents did was just "adjust" the date of birth they gave the Registrar to one that incurred no penalty. That was very common in rural areas, and looks to be what happened in your case.
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