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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 14 March 13 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Where to start? I just have to say that I simply adore my Irish ancestry! Gaffy, I cannot let you know how much this means to me. It is one thing to look up some records and discover one’s roots but it is a totally different feeling to know that my mother walked around these very grounds with her mother who is tending her mother’s grave. The photos that you have so kindly taken make me feel like I was there walking around with you, exploring and absorbing it all. I can almost smell the grass and the trees! Your kindness is beyond words.

I have poured over the photos since I woke up this morning. James’ details line up with what I know so far, in particular the 1911 census. His brother William will be another line of research that I will undertake.

The information from the Cemetery office does pose a puzzle or two. My first inkling is that the ‘Jane Bailie’, buried on 3 Feb 1912 is in fact James Baillie who died three days prior. Either the records have been mixed up or this is just a coincidence. If one follows that argument though, the ‘James Bailie’ listed in the office’s information may in fact be Teresa, passing away a couple of years later (the ages appear to line up). Again just a little surmising at this stage.

Finally I am aware of Lennon Wylie's website. A simply amazing amount of work! Apparently the Baillie's left No. 4 Simpson's Court in James' name after he passed away 6 years before. I guess that could be normal practice. And they appeared to have had a second residence. More avenues to explore.

I am well prepared to now catch up with my mum this weekend, thanks to the kindness of you all. She will be surprised (hopefully not too surprised) and I will let you know what transpires.

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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 17 March 13 13:00 GMT (UK) »
When the Knockbreda church photo came out, after getting into the moment with some census and naval service records, there was a small gasp and the words “the grave is there”, pointing to bushes on the left. When looking at the photos, the memories came flooding back, “I scrubbed that headstone so many times”. The graveyard looked much better kept than during her time. There was no sign of a yew back then and beyond the churchyard it was just countryside.  She now wishes that she had learnt more about her family earlier on but was enjoying the nostalgic trip that this information took her on. :)

A couple of questions if I may.

We talked a lot about Simpson’s Court, which is no longer there now. I have seen it listed as early as 1880 in the Belfast Directory, and as late as 1959. The OSI historical maps do show some detail but they are too early. Does anyone have access to a Belfast map that shows Simpson’s Court, off Ormeau Road, near the Holy Rosary Church, just up from the roundabout with Ravenhill Road?

Also we spoke of my mother’s natural parents, who died while she was young. They are both buried at Milltown Cemetery. I have copies of their vital records (I understand that there isn’t a grave marker). My mother’s father was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers during WW1. He was injured and ended up back in Belfast after the war. He eventually died in Craigavon Hospital in 1924, possibly brought upon by his wounds. I have had a peak around (with little direction) with regards to Milltown, Craigavon and the Fusiliers but without much success. Probably not the right forum to ask but if anyone can give me some leads, I would be grateful.

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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 23 March 13 19:34 GMT (UK) »
The craigavon is probably what was called the UVF hospital in the belmont area of east belfast which is now derlict
gibson {b/bridge-dromore } radcliffe [belfast-banbridge }
McCluskey & leckey {armagh }

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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 23 March 13 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 04 April 13 00:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks ards g and aghadowey. A very good lead. It is interesting that the UVF hospital, where my grandfather was assumed to be admitted as a WW1 injured solder and cared for, was in the Exhibition Hall (next to the Queen's University), which is but a short distance from  where my grandmother grew up in Ormeau Rd. It is tempting to surmise that this proximity lead to their meeting and eventually marrying. Some of the pieces of the puzzle are starting to slot together.  :)

I have order a copy of a map of South Belfast 1920 from mapsworldwide.com which includes Exhibition Hall and have just been informed that it is on its way. That should be enlightening.

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« Reply #23 on: Friday 05 April 13 05:55 BST (UK) »
Both the Ormeau Road and the University Road were served from the City Centre by main tramways in the 1920s. Whether by tram or by foot, it wouldn't have been a long journey by various routes back then, for example, cutting across west from the Ormeau Road to the Kings Bridge / Ridgeway Street then north down the Stranmillis Road, or north down the Ormeau Road to just after the Ormeau bridge, then west across Agincourt Avenue and through Botanic Gardens (lovely walk).

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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 17 April 13 14:44 BST (UK) »
I have just received my ordered copy of the Old Ordnance Survey Maps of South Belfast 1920. Clear as day is Queens College (see attached extract) and the U.V.F Hospital in its grounds but unfortunately the map only covers a few square kilometres west of the River Lagan. So one question has been answered but Ormeau Rd and Simpsons Court still remain out of my grasp.

I have asked mapsworldwide.com but they cannot help any further as their source has not published this particular area of Belfast.

I would be grateful if anyone can let me know if they have a historical map of Belfast (late C19 to early C20) showing the area where Ormeau Rd and Ravenhill Rd meet. Simpsons Court would be just north of this intersection.


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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #25 on: Friday 19 April 13 17:47 BST (UK) »
Mike

Just wanted to let you know that I  have the name Baillie in my family tree also.  My grandfather was Thomas Baillie Dugan.  His Aunt was married to a Thomas Baillie who passed in 1917.  Thomas Baillie's father was Hugh.

I don't know if there is a connection or not, but maybe.... 

I being from Canada, know how you feel about the generosity of these people on the genealogy websites in the UK.  They have been so helpful and it is so appreciated. 

Reading about your mom's reaction to the pictures brought tears to my eyes.  What a beautiful gift you were given by these wonderful, caring people!

Kudos!  Geri Hill

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Re: Knockbreda Cemetery lookup - Baillie
« Reply #26 on: Friday 27 March 20 19:02 GMT (UK) »
Simpson's Court was located between Haywood Ave and Sunnyside St.  It had a barber shop in it when my mother was growing up.

Curious about your Teresa, was she formerly Lewis?  If so, my ggm's sister Margaret Maxwell was witness at her marriage, and her father Roger lived next door to my gggm Teresa Maxwell born Magee in Ballynafeigh, leased from Abraham Mcgee (suspect should read Ephraim Magee as is often recorded that way, who I believe was either Teresa Magee Maxwell's father or brother).

Believe this family connected to 1851 census Magee family in Lurgill, basketmakers. Teresa Baillie indicated she came from Lisburn, near Lurgill.

A Roger Lewis m Catherine Magee. Possibly Teresa Magee Maxwell's sister?

I've seen a record for progeny of Ephraim Magee living Simpson's Court, just can't find it again. 

Will keep trying.