1851/1861/71/81 census look up please - Yorkstone

[lgardner2000]

hello,

Thanks for you help but i have now found the igi's. I didnt know that info was on there, i just thought it was the 1881 census that you could get on there.

Whats the web address for the scotlandsPeople?

Thanks
Lisa

[AMBLY]

Hi Lisa

Scotlands People is here:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
I should say, it's a pay per view site - it's an excellent service, but if you do use it, it pays to plan your searches out beforehand so you don't waste your credits.
I didn't engage brain before sorry - obviously Scotlands People is for the Scottish records  not English .....

Varying degrees of Census records etc for Scotland (and England) are on FREE CEN:
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Cheers
Anne

[Forfarian]

In my own tree I've come across several variants on YORKSTON[E], all in the Edinburgh area extending out to West Lothian, including the dropping of the "K" and the "K" & "T".
I have an Alexander Yorkston b 1814 in Larbert, but he married Catherine (Kitty)
[PH/F]AIR

ibi, if you are still there, can we compare notes? I too have this Alexander Yorkston in my tree but with a bit of a question mark.

I definitely have Janet Yorkston, married in Larbert on 14 November 1819 to Peter Hogg, had two sons James b 1820 and John b 1823/4, then died before 1826 because Peter then married Margaret Russell. I have been told that her parents were John Yorkston and Janet Kerr, but I have yet to find any evidence to confirm this.

[Forfarian]

Here is C81 details of Thomas YORKSTONE/Euphemia McCREA/McCREE, parents of the IGI Margaret born 1874 Haddington.  You will see that the daughter Margaret is with them here.  It could still be that Margaret was listed twice - once with uncle Peter in Lincoln (where she actually was) and once with parents (where she was not, but they counted her in anyway either in error, or in mis-understanding that they should  not state not-present children to the Census taker) - I have come across this more than once in Censii. What is interesting here is that Thomas' father is in the house.

I believe that this Margaret in East Lothian is a red herring.

Notice that her father Thomas is exactly the same age as Peter in Boston - 34 years old. Therefore if he were Peter's brother, he would be (a) his twin and (b) in the same household as Peter in the census. There is no record of Peter having a twin brother named Thomas or anything else, and there is no Thomas in the family in the 1851 or 1861 census. All but two of the Yorkstons in East Lothian in 1851 were also born in East Lothian, and there is no Peter among them.

It was Peter Yorkston, son of Alexander Y and Ann Donaldson, who married Isabella Bell, daughter of James Bell and Isabella Winning, in Glasgow on 9 June 1871.

Ann Donaldson died in Larbert in 1870; she was described as married to Alexander Yorkston, and in her son's marriage certificate she is described as deceased, but Alexander is not so described. Therefore he was still alive in 1871. I have failed to find a death for him in Scotland or England/Wales; my spelling creativity is obvious not up to the job! I have also failed to find him in the 1871 census, which was taken before his son's wedding.

[lgardner2000]

Hello

I have a Alexander Yorkston who married Ann Donaldson in 1839 Larbert, Stirling.
His parents were Alexander Yorkston and Ann Kincaid.

I dont have a Alexander marrying a Catherine Phair.

[Forfarian]

Have you got the death certificate of Alexander Yorkston, husband of Ann Donaldson?

I was relying on information from another researcher who told me that the husband of Catherine Fair was the son of Alexander Y and Ann Kincaid, so I would be very interested in any evidence to nail him either way.  Having looked at it again, I am not convinced this is correct. In particular, the husband of Catherine Fair is shown in the 1841 census as born in Scotland but not Midlothian, not specifically in Stirlingshire. He died in 1850, so there is no death certificate.

My line goes back reliably to Janet Yorkston, married in Larbert on 14 November 1819 to Peter Hogg. I believe that her parents were John Yorkston and Janet Kerr, but I still need some evidence to confirm this.

[vinci]

I have Alexander Yorkston (B Larbert 23.5.1814 d. Larbert Jun 1850) married 23.4.1833 St. Cuthberts Leith to Catherine (Kitty) Fair  (or Phair), ( b 1808 Edinburgh Parish d Edinburgh 10.9.1887) 

They are my GG Grandparents on my mothers side.

Taking this line further back from Alexander Yorkston (1814-1850)

Alexander's parents were Alexander Yorkston (b. Falkirk 22.7.1785 d. Stenhousmuir 30.6.1857) and Ann Kincaid (b. Falkirk 21.9.1784-d before c 1857) They married 14.12.1802 at Denny Falkirk.

Alexander's grandparents on this line are John Yorkston (b Falkirk 1752) and Janet Kerr (b Airth, Stirling 1753) They married 18th June 1776 at Falkirk.

Alexander's great grandparents are Alexander Yorkston (b Cramond Edinburgh 11.11.1715- d ?) and Marion Hanna ( b Denny Falkirk 6.5.1716-d ?) They married 15th April 1746 at Falkirk.
(I have the original rather tatty marriage certificate)

Alexander's great great grandparents are Alexander Yorkston (c 1685 - ?) and Margaret Broun (c 1685-?) They married 17.3.1711 at Cramond Edinburgh.
   
I have quite a lot more on this Yorkston branch, including a photo (attached) of Catherine ( Kitty) Phair and other Yorkstons from an 1899 Photo album in my possession.

[apanderson]

Looks like Alexander Yorkstone and Ann Kincaid might be buried in Larbert Old Parish Churchyard.

The date listed alongside their names is 1835 - possibly when they bought the lair?

See: www.memento-mori.co.uk

Anne

[Forfarian]

I have Alexander Yorkston (B Larbert 23.5.1814 d. Larbert Jun 1850) married 23.4.1833 St. Cuthberts Leith to Catherine (Kitty) Fair  (or Phair), ( b 1808 Edinburgh Parish d Edinburgh 10.9.1887) 
Alexander's parents were Alexander Yorkston (b. Falkirk 22.7.1785 d. Stenhousmuir 30.6.1857) and Ann Kincaid (b. Falkirk 21.9.1784-d before c 1857)

How can you be sure that these are the correct parents for Alexander Y who died in 1850? What evidence do you have?

You will see that lgardner has the son of Alexander Y and Ann Kincaid married to Ann Donaldson. The one married to Catherine Fair cannot also be the one married to Ann Donaldson.

The 1851 census lists at South Broomage Hall, Larbert Alexander Y, aged 36, i.e. born between 31 March 1814 and 30 March 1815, assuming it is accurate, birthplace Larbert, with wife Ann (Donaldson) and family. Note that this one's eldest son is Alexander and his second daughter is Ann, which would fit with him being the son of Alexander Y and Ann Kincaid.

Alexander Y and Catherine Fair's first two sons are John and James. The 1841 census gives Alexander's age as 27, i.e. born between 7 June 1813 and 6 June 1814 (assuming it is accurate) and born somewhere in Scotland but not in Midlothian. Also, an index search of the SP pre-1855 deaths finds one death of Alexander Yorkston in Edinburgh and none in Larbert.

We all need to get this clarified before we go any further. If lgardner has the death certificate of the Alexander Y who married Ann Donaldson, this would clinch it.